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Tip detuning on new SL´s

post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 
This subject has been discussed before,common agreement was that modern carving skis should not be detuned at all.
A couple weeks ago i was shown a pair of Kneissl race SL,tip edges were fully rounded.
Today i picked up my pair of new Head WC Slalom TI´s,edge is filed off at a 45º angle up to and a bit behind the contact point.
You would need to remove an awful lot of metal to get that tip sharpened so i guess that´s the way they work best!!!
post #2 of 8
mc,

Did you get the "new ski tune" by the shop or were these right out of the plastic. Some shops when they mount the skis/bindings they automaticly do a "new ski tune" which depending on the tech, might include detuning the skis. I would inquire and if they did indeed do this without asking you, let them know your dis-pleasure. What you do after that regarding a remedy I will leave to you and your shop.

When ever I have new skis mounted I always tell the shop "do not detune my skis in any way"
post #3 of 8
True. Latest knowledge seems to be- not to detune shaped skis. Mine are and I haven't noticed any lessning in performance. With the shaped ski some suggest to [at the point of where you would normally detune, increase the bevel by 1/2 degree to 1 degree from the ski's existing bevel. do this on the tails too.] But then, try it both ways. Which works for you the best?
post #4 of 8
Thread Starter 
I´ve checked other skis (rossi,salomon) at the shop and they are detuned too.
A pair of salomon race SL had the most detuning,more than a handwidth behind the contact point.
These were new skis (plastic wrapped),so maybe the rules have changed again... :
post #5 of 8
MC
Interesting..

We have a few reps here.
Betaracer, can you check it out with Atomic?

I think we had a Salomon Rep for a while but I can't re-call who.

Anyone else with inside contacts? can you confirm the detune of new skis from the factory and is this supposed to be happening?

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 21, 2001 06:52 AM: Message edited 1 time, by dchan ]</font>
post #6 of 8
mc said: A pair of salomon race SL had the most detuning, more than a handwidth behind the contact point.

I do believe you mc, but it just does not make sense. If indeed they detune the entire tip, then why make SL skis with such wide tips? Presumably to get the tip to hook and draw you into the curve. Detuning the tip eliminates this feature. Might as well make less shaped skis then.
post #7 of 8
Increasing the bevel at the tips is useful if the skis feel too hooky. In the past the reason for dulling back a ski's edges was to help the ski skid into turns. It also made the ski feel shorter because the edges actually engaged the snow further back along the edge and released from the snow further from the tail.

Whether it is shaped or conventional in sidecut,unless things have changed,if you want the ski to carve dulling the edges back will only make that effort more difficult or impossible.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 21, 2001 03:40 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Lostboy ]</font>
post #8 of 8
MC you said you checked other ski's at the store and saw that they were detuned, i dont no what shop that was since i have never seen a factory race ski detuned. Especialy slalom ski's. Never ever dull the tips and tails if you want the most out of your ski's, if they feel too hooky try increasing base bevel at tips and tail by 1/2 degree, thats the base bevel not side bevel.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 21, 2001 04:52 PM: Message edited 1 time, by dc9mm ]</font>
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