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Stockli SL ski

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I always wanted to experience brands that werent popular,at least in my country,so Im planning to buy 166 cm slalom Stocklis 13,6 radius with Tyrolia race bindings
Is true that they are hand made?.That is supposed to be better?

Txs in advance


post #2 of 23
I would give the Stocklis a try! I skied on some years ago and have never gotten a chance to ski on any since. However, they are handmade and have a great reputation for quality. I'm sure others with more experience will post info, but I say give them a try!
post #3 of 23

S'posse this in reference to the Laser SL

The 166/13,6 Laser SL is built around an "ISO core" which I believe is not handmade, vs. the wood core of Laser SC and GS which is said so.
One could never tell the difference whether made by hand or not, construction and sidecut however are substantially different enough to noitce. Whether you're better off with the SL or the SC/GS depends on your weight, style and technique. So, demo, if you can to find out your preference, mine is the SC.
post #4 of 23
I have no idea which Stocklis my girlfriend has but she loves them. Her cousin is an Ohio rep for them so he got them for her, I had never even heard of them before. I definitely noticed an improvement in her skiing from the rentals and after she got into the Stocklis. I will check to see which ones they are.
post #5 of 23
i had the chance to ride the stockli laser slalom 166 for a couple of days in january. amazing. it has some "no ski" feeling to it, in a very positive way. turns with no effort, great edge hold on anything, stable in even super-g style turns. i did even like it in crud. on more than one occasion, i was the inly one in the group not to loose edge inicy setions, and most others were better skiers with very respected skis underfoot.
post #6 of 23
I used to have the old yellow SLR's - loved them......

Now I have SC's - they are nice too - really nice (but I liked the old SLR's better)....
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for your kind impressions!

I think I ll take a deep breadth, cos they are expensive,and Ill give them a try:

After my vacations in the US I ll give you my impressions.

post #8 of 23
I partisipated in a cross-ski test for a magazine last spring. The Stöckli Laser Cross came in second after the Atomic SX-11. The Laser Cross is a true sandwich ski as all Stöcklis are supposed to be and one great thing to ski on. Compared to the Atomic it was quite heavy and needed a lot of speed to perform at its best but thats what competition skiis are designed to do.
post #9 of 23
I don´t know exactly how the "ISO-race-core" looks like but I suppose it´s a combination of wood with some ultragrade PU. In spite of this all parts of the ski including the "double-titanal-fiberglass" will have to be put into the cassette by hand - thus "handmade" (like all sandwich skis).
Stockli skis including the Laser SL are among the best-performing skis available to mere mortals even without contacts or special orders in race departments.
Since Laser SL is not extremely radical in shape (112-63-99) it´s perfect even for longer radiuses than just typical short turns.
post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by checkracer
I don´t know exactly how the "ISO-race-core" looks like but I suppose it´s a combination of wood with some ultragrade PU. In spite of this all parts of the ski including the "double-titanal-fiberglass" will have to be put into the cassette by hand - thus "handmade" (like all sandwich skis).
Stockli skis including the Laser SL are among the best-performing skis available to mere mortals even without contacts or special orders in race departments.
Since Laser SL is not extremely radical in shape (112-63-99) it´s perfect even for longer radiuses than just typical short turns.
Yes Checkracer,since I have no contacts in any race dept.,one of the things I like of this skis is that they are probably better that other brands you buy in ordinary places!
Guys..youre very kind and knowledgeable
post #11 of 23
Thread Starter 
I remember I bought the first Renntiger Volkls in 1981 or 82,the bright yellow ones ,do you remember?,and they were SO GOOOOD, so well constructed,you couldnt compare then with anything "off the shelf",it was like a Mercedes Benz,and I feel something similar is going to happen to me with the Stocklis.

Dont you agree?
post #12 of 23
I quit skiing/racing on Volkls (Renntiger) in 1977 because of some repeated delaminations and warranty problems.

They were awsome but I couldn´t afford repeated battles with the Importer. Besides, they were hard to get in the communist economy : and a replacement was practically non-existent.
post #13 of 23
A friend of mine is the Stockli rep here sooooo I get to ski on all of them, great skis. Solid carves in all conditions. I like them. However,I can see why Atomic came in ahead. That would be my first pick.
post #14 of 23
Thread Starter 
Fellas...its getting difficult to find the Stocklis

If anybody knows a place where I can find them.

Mr Fantasy...find me my Stocklis..make me happy!
post #15 of 23
The best place to find Stocklis is Wolhusen, Switzerland (the factory ).
post #16 of 23 - Every model of their lineup is in stock. I'm not sure if they'll ship outside the U.S. though.
post #17 of 23
To the original poster, whats your height/weight? This is a very important question when considering a ski of this caliber.
post #18 of 23
Thread Starter 
1,80 cm/80 kg.Do I qualify?
post #19 of 23
so about 6' 180 lbs. You might be ok... might. I think its important you understand just how stiff this ski is. I'm 5'10, 170, and bought a 161 laser SL last year, and sold it right after the season. I've been skiing for 20+ years, on collegiate race teams, ect. but this ski is REAL stiff, especially the tail. You better be on your tippy top game if you want to wrangle with this ski. I sold it because it just wasn't as much fun to ski as something like a supersport 5 star. I was left with the impression that the Stockli race series are for 200+ pound experts or professional racers, certainly not mere mortals. I mean, this is the EXACT same ski the Swiss olympic race team uses!

I'm suprised how no one mentions things like that. Of course, Stockli is perhaps THE best performance brand out there today, but you should make sure you understand what your getting. Alot of people throw down the cash thinking they can handle boards like these, but the bottom line is that most people can't handle these boards the way they were built to be handled. If you do end up buying these, start hitting the gym immediately! ciao
post #20 of 23
You can RIP them at 80kg but the qualifier is - I agree with Poppa Ski Love here - that you can break out a top game. Weight is a minor consideration in your case, I'd say.
So what's significant then? Well, if you walk away from the slopes with blue toe nails, you know, I'd say there's plenty of other options. But if you RIPped on the Renntigers and are still skiing hard, you might have a winner here. You propably want to go with a wider radius than the SL though.
Just my 2cents.
post #21 of 23
Thread Starter 
Mmm!: ...this is food for thought fellas.I dont know if Im going to use this ski to the 100% potential it has.But I always skied on race skis and I like to have the best instrument available.Now Im skiing in 2005 Head SL and Im extremely happy...dont there so much difference?
Anyway,thanks all for your opinions.Its great to participate in this kind of forums and hear your experiences before making the decision of spending USD 1000+ in a pair of skis!


post #22 of 23
Many many years ago, before I ever took a ski lesson, but after I had been skiing for a few years, I decided it was time to replace my Dynastar 185cm fibreglass: GS I think skis; they just couldn't handle speed.

I was told the same thing: "Racing" skis are for racers and accomplished experts only, unless you are on a race team you won't want these skis.

I didn't know about all that, but I did know that when ever I got on a pair of skis, as soon as I got it cranked up to speed I may as well have been wearing plastick bags over my boots for all the control I could extract from them, until I demoed my 208cm Kästle RX12 National Team SG skis. Being rather headstrong, I ignored advice and got the SG racing skis.

There was a steep learning curve. I did fall a few times on these skis whereas I would not have fallen on lesser skis, mostly due to catching edges and inadvertantly havingthe tails steer me faster than I could keep up. These skis were nothing special at sub 20 mph speeds. In fact I could (and still can) only bend one ski at a time into a tight turn at those speeds. But they were an absolute dream at high speeds, especially on hard snow. Since high-speed skiing was what I was into, I was very happy with them. I am very glad I got them and I still love to take them out and let them rip.

Some things have changed since then. The biggest change is the "shaped ski". I still have to try out a modern SL "racing" shaped ski, but have been on a couple of modern high performance models (RX8 9S), and recently tried out a yardsale Fischer SL racing ski from a bygone age.

The old-style SL race ski had been "tuned" at my local shop, which means that they ruined the tune of the ski, making the edges dull at the tip and tail. It took me a while to figure out why they would do this to a ski, but it is very relavant to the present conversation, so please bear with me. This ski was absolutly terrible as a recreation ski for someone who likes to carve turns. It would only carve at speeds too high to be safe considering the crowded conditions at most ski hills. It's ice grip was also pretty much nonexistent.
On the other hand, it could handle skidded and pivotted turns just fine.

Top-end shaped skis will carve just fine, but don't really like to be skidded. This behaviour is more noticeable the higher up you go.

Whereas old race skis can be detuned to become good skidding and pivoting skis that work at any speed or left sharp to be good high-speed only carving skis, I strongly suspect new shaped slalom skis will only work well at carving speeds at high (for slalom) speeds; they will not be good at skidding turns; they will not be good at pivot turns.

Bottom line. If you carve turns and don't really care too much about slow speed performance go for the Stockli SL, but if you like to pivot and skid turns, hunt a little lower on the food chain or go to a yardsale and spend ten bucks.
post #23 of 23
My current favorite ski for ice on eastern (narrow) trails is the Stockli SL. I'm getting a bit old and short on power (170 pounds) and ski it in a 156. I haven't had any problems and a younger skier ...... who can stay centered and drive forward ..... shouldn't have any problems.

The are hand made. If you lay-up a foam core or a wood core ... still hand made no? All of the the upper line skis (90%), are hand made.

My skis were beat to death as demo skis for a season and are fine ...... a few dings, scratches and gouges ....... but still ski great!
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