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I stopped by a local ski shop to kill some time. There was a woman there with a pair of Dynastar Pulsars (Blue/Black/Green) mounted with some Spademan step-ins. The skis were held together nicely with her Allsop poles in a Ski-tote. As I am staring at the relics she looks at me and chuckles, "I bet you don't see gear like this around any more" (Wrong person to say that to). I replied "You would be surprised" I said, "let me guess, you purchased this in 79" She thought for a moment and was dumb founded and asked how I knew? I laughed and said, "Don't give me too much credit, its not like I knew which month it was, but basicly I am an equipement geek".

I did ask her if she was going to the dumpster with the stuff and she said that she was gonna keep it in the basement. Too bad, I'd like to have had the Spademans.
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Would it have been that complicated to pursuade her she shouldn´t store such a rubbish?
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When did I buy my 610 Comps with the 727s?
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Originally Posted by jstraw
When did I buy my 610 Comps with the 727s?
I would say 78-79 (unless you bought them used or as leftovers then it could have 80). The 610/710/810/910 came out for 76-79 with the 612/712/812 coming out for the Olymic year of 80. The 727, are the the meatl heel or plastic heel version (DIN or 1-4), if metal, I would go the older year. The 727 went through 81 when they went to the 737 is 81.
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I know I had the pleasure of skiing a 207 cm 812 and it was right after I moved here in 80. A friend of mine switched skis with me, he was skiing the white Olin that had just come out and couldn't believe how heavy and stiff the 812's were.

I really liked the 812, and I think I got the TNT next if I am keeping my sequential skis and years straight. I downsized to a 205cm.

Went up the lift with a guy that had 190 cm. Atomics Sunday and they looked like telephone poles in contrast to my 162 Metron. Its really amazing what has gone on with ski design. What's next?
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You're scary. '79
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Originally Posted by jstraw
You're scary. '79
It's a sickness. Funny, my first instict was 79, but with that other set being 79, I gave myself a little room for error.
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
It's a sickness. Funny, my first instict was 79, but with that other set being 79, I gave myself a little room for error.
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Phil, whatever happened to Spademan's anyway? Did they get bought out, or just faded?
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Originally Posted by wbroun
Phil, whatever happened to Spademan's anyway? Did they get bought out, or just faded?
Faded away. Err pushed. It was a great concept and in theory one of teh best binding designs in all aspects i.e. short mounting plate, allowing the ski to flex. Light weight, obvious there. and in a safety aspect release in ALL directions (except straight down, of course), and the pivot point of release was also directly under the leg. The two downfalls were A. Incompatible with other bindings and B. Metal to metal contact made the release very inconsistant. Dr. Spademan was ahead of his time and made truely a "better mousetrap".

I am sure there are others who can add to the legend.
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
Faded away. Err pushed. It was a great concept and in theory one of teh best binding designs in all aspects i.e. short mounting plate, allowing the ski to flex. Light weight, obvious there. and in a safety aspect release in ALL directions (except straight down, of course), and the pivot point of release was also directly under the leg. The two downfalls were A. Incompatible with other bindings and B. Metal to metal contact made the release very inconsistant. Dr. Spademan was ahead of his time and made truely a "better mousetrap".

I am sure there are others who can add to the legend.
I vaguely recall seeing these now. Phil, you are truly a man who appreciates clever, original design! I looked up Spademan's and appreciate the "minimalism" and neatness. My bindings now -- Atomic 412's Device system -- are SO heavy and bulky and, frankly, I'm beginning to wonder whether something has been lost with all the emphasis mechanical structures on bindings. In defense of the 412's, they are rather light, but with the mounting plate, etc, and then Atomic's pulsers, my skis are just really, really heavy. I look at those Spademan's and see a refreshing lack of bulk.
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Originally Posted by wbroun
I vaguely recall seeing these now. Phil, you are truly a man who appreciates clever, original design! I looked up Spademan's and appreciate the "minimalism" and neatness. My bindings now -- Atomic 412's Device system -- are SO heavy and bulky and, frankly, I'm beginning to wonder whether something has been lost with all the emphasis mechanical structures on bindings. In defense of the 412's, they are rather light, but with the mounting plate, etc, and then Atomic's pulsers, my skis are just really, really heavy. I look at those Spademan's and see a refreshing lack of bulk.
Combined with Scott boots, they weighed next to nothing!
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OK. Time for something truly scary.

What are the monsters on the bottom that have come to live in my basement?

210cm 88/72/80.
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Hey Phil, what were those neon yellow Rossi 170s with the red and blue stripe and the rooster tip I bought back in '77?
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Originally Posted by jstraw
Hey Phil, what were those neon yellow Rossi 170s with the red and blue stripe and the rooster tip I bought back in '77?

I remember that ski. I they were Exibitions. Did you have 444's on them?
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
I remember that ski. I they were Exibitions. Did you have 444's on them?
You bet your ass I did!

Man, you're good.
post #17 of 28
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That was the last year for that ski, in 78 they changed it to the Exebition II. The graphics went to a white background with a two tone blue front. It was the lowest ski in a 3 ski series of the Freestyle (white/black/orange), Smash (white/purple/orange) and the Exebitions II. In 80 the line was changes to the CM, FM and EM.

Any other questions?
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
That was the last year for that ski, in 78 they changed it to the Exebition II. The graphics went to a white background with a two tone blue front. It was the lowest ski in a 3 ski series of the Freestyle (white/black/orange), Smash (white/purple/orange) and the Exebitions II. In 80 the line was changes to the CM, FM and EM.

Any other questions?
Yeah, you really expect us to believe that you're not cribbing any of this info???

Remember "Short Skis Suck" bumper stickers in ski country? I think these were the skis that triggered that hatred...lol
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Yeah, you really expect us to believe that you're not cribbing any of this info???
Sorry, I AM this bad It IS all in my head.

If you can find a site that has all of this info, let me know. I would love to look it over. I could spend days over at wikipedia putting all of this down, but I am lazy.
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telerod correctly identifies it

as a black Miller Soft.
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I had the idea in the late 70's (bong related as I remember) to make the first releasable tele binding by mounting Spademans backwards on the ski and putting the plates on the toes of tele boots. Never did get to trying it out. I've always wondered if it would have been workable.
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OK, Phil, I've always wondered about this. Maybe you can help.

I was watching the Winter Olympics ('00 I believe) and noticed that some of the competitors in the freestyle events were balancing K2s on their shoulders with the exact same red, white, and blue top sheet as my old 1972 vintage Winter Heats. Know anything about this? Was this a model they were going to reintroduce?
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Originally Posted by Posaune
OK, Phil, I've always wondered about this. Maybe you can help.

I was watching the Winter Olympics ('00 I believe) and noticed that some of the competitors in the freestyle events were balancing K2s on their shoulders with the exact same red, white, and blue top sheet as my old 1972 vintage Winter Heats. Know anything about this? Was this a model they were going to reintroduce?
There was a new K2 bump ski that was like the old Winterheats. In fact they were called 'Winterheats" for a season or two then 715 or something for another season.

FWIW, it seamed like it was "retro day" at Okemo on Sunday, the gear that I saw was right out of the 70's and 80's, including some K2 255's, Salomon SX90's, SX91's, Dynastar Omesofts. Max Capacity was there and we were pointing out the old gear to each other. The "Head" jacket was the piece de resistance.
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Phil -

We're suppose to be impressed by this feat? Why don't you try something that's hard for the gearheads on this forum like remembering your wife's birthday or the names & ages of your kids.
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Retro week at Mammoth last week---saw some Rossi 4s's (remember how we drooled over the teal green color?), Olin Mark 5's (that Orange color that was banned when they ended the 70's), a pair of stratos that must have been at LEAST 210's, a pair of "the" skis with the colored boxes all over them, a pair of Dynastars with that red plastic thingy on the tip that (if I remember correctly) had some kind of metal weight or Mercury or something in it, but the piece-de-resistance was a pair of the black Heads with the little white dot on the tip that should have been over someone's bar or cut up as a bench or something. Asked the old curmudgeon skiing them, "why ARE you on those things?" He replied that he liked them just fine and they skiied great. Watched him get of the chairlift and I swear they kind of wallowed and flopped around like an old Ford Pinto with a bad pair of shock absorbers installed. To each his own I suppose, but it was like the Smithsonian ski museum had descended on the mountain for Christmas break.
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Originally Posted by doogiedoc
Retro week at Mammoth last week---saw some Rossi 4s's (remember how we drooled over the teal green color?), Olin Mark 5's (that Orange color that was banned when they ended the 70's), ... a pair of "the" skis with the colored boxes all over them,
The orange Olins were either Mark IV's or IV Comps. The IV's had blue writing and the Comps, teh writing was white. "The Ski" bught have been on a body of mines. He has a pair and does ski Mammoth.
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Hey Phil, I've got one for you. When would have I bought new an Atomic ARC 533 CE, hot pink and yellow (bases were hot pink too), with cracked edges? Im not setting you up here, I honestly cant remember when I did buy them.
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Originally Posted by gobucks
Hey Phil, I've got one for you. When would have I bought new an Atomic ARC 533 CE, hot pink and yellow (bases were hot pink too), with cracked edges? Im not setting you up here, I honestly cant remember when I did buy them.
That ski was from 1990-91 range. IIRC it was their bump/High Performance "non-race" series. Ess V/A/R were the binding of choice for that generation on Atomics.
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