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Powder AND bumps?

post #1 of 56
Thread Starter 
Are there any skis that would be a good choice for learning to ski powder *and* bumps? Any that I might look for post-season bargains on?
post #2 of 56
Rossi B2 does the trick for me.
post #3 of 56
pocket rockets

wide for the powder and soft for the bumps
post #4 of 56
Pocket Rockets would be my first choice, also. I love mine in both.
post #5 of 56
Thread Starter 
What length for a level 7/8, 225 lb, 5'9" skier? They're already down to $450 on eBay...
post #6 of 56
$450 - you don't need to spend that much on skis unless you want to, esp for "learning"

hows the skiing in wichita this year?
post #7 of 56
Thread Starter 
"already" as in *so far*. They'll drop further.

I'm wondering if this foam core ski is really a good choice for a big guy...
post #8 of 56
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Originally Posted by jstraw
"already" as in *so far*. They'll drop further.

I'm wondering if this foam core ski is really a good choice for a big guy...
I'm not going to make this a wood vs foam discussion, but I will say that while I think the PR's are great skis, they're also too soft for heavier skiers when pushed hard.

Personally, I'd drop a little coin and pick up a pair of Dynastar Legend 8800's or last years Inspired or Bigs (same ski, different name), which can be had for some pretty decent prices if you can find a pair.
post #9 of 56
I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but I've been very pleased with the K2 Recons in the bumps and powder. Excellent Colorado ski. Very versatile.
post #10 of 56
Thread Starter 
I hope all these recommendations are for skis suitible for LEARNING powder and bumps...
post #11 of 56
jstraw,
I don't think any skis that aren't dedicated powder skis will really help one to ski powder. Any good mid-fat should suffice. Narrower carving skis won't be floaty enough.

Recommendations for bumps is a different story. A stiff tail will kill your day. I thus retract my recommendation of the K2 Recon and although I haven't skied the Dynastar 8000/8800, my educated guess is that they would be too stiff as well based on my wife's opinons as well as those that I've heard/read.
post #12 of 56
Thread Starter 
Ok, so I need a mid-fat that's suitible for a big guy...as a ski for bumps and pow. My SX:11s are no good for either.
post #13 of 56
I briefly tried the volkl 724 EXP this weekend. Had a chance to take it through bumps and just a bit of fresh snow and it performed nicely. But terrible on hardpack.
post #14 of 56
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I briefly tried the volkl 724 EXP this weekend. Had a chance to take it through bumps and just a bit of fresh snow and it performed nicely. But terrible on hardpack.
I demoed the exp this weekend too and loved it, largely because it was great on hardpack. It seemed to do fine in the bumps and the little powder I found. But I was grinning on groomers and pleasantly surprised at how well it did on the icy crud (Copper bowls). In fact, I endded up buying them, since improving in the moguls and powder will be more a result of lessons/practice than new skis.
post #15 of 56
If you want a treat in the bumps go with the B2. Yet it floats nicely. Unfortunately it's hard to come across a "steal" for pricing with these.
post #16 of 56
You should really check out:

http://www.techsupportforskiers.com/

Pay Peter the few bucks to join and he will give good strong personal advise to you by E-Mail.

He knows his stuff and it is a good investment. I have my opinions, but I don't know how to match your level with the type of ski.

Good Luck!
post #17 of 56
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Originally Posted by jstraw
I hope all these recommendations are for skis suitible for LEARNING powder and bumps...
Yes, I was taking your criteria into account when I made my recommendation. At your weight, you would have no problem handling either the Legend 8000 or the 8800. That was the whole point of me suggesting the Legends, they're easy to ski and very versatile.

Now the Legend Pro, that a whole new level. That is too stiff for a progressing skier, IMO.
post #18 of 56
Turt,
It's been a long time since I tried a ski that I really disliked, and maybe it was the tune, but the 724 EXP I tried was one of the worst skis I've been on recently when it comes to carving on hardpack. I own a K2 recon & Atomic Sx-11 and demo'd both the B5 (loved it) and the Salomon streetracer and the 724 EXP easily was worst in class.
Coach....thanks for the clarifiction. I confused the "pro" and standard models.
post #19 of 56
War of the noobs.
post #20 of 56
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach13
Yes, I was taking your criteria into account when I made my recommendation. At your weight, you would have no problem handling either the Legend 8000 or the 8800. That was the whole point of me suggesting the Legends, they're easy to ski and very versatile.

Now the Legend Pro, that a whole new level. That is too stiff for a progressing skier, IMO.
Thanks Coach
post #21 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach13
Yes, I was taking your criteria into account when I made my recommendation. At your weight, you would have no problem handling either the Legend 8000 or the 8800. That was the whole point of me suggesting the Legends, they're easy to ski and very versatile.

Now the Legend Pro, that a whole new level. That is too stiff for a progressing skier, IMO.
If its 50 Pow / 50 Bumps then 2nds on the 8000. Its a fairly felxible and lively ski IMO. Certainly not too much for bumps. I did demo in a very short lenght for my weight 165cm and me 195#. That may color by perception but I remeber it was above average of class in bumps and a fun ski overall. I skied it on icy bumps in the rain and it was still a nice ski. And its wide enough to give some float 79mm. The 8800 is 88mm I think.

However be forewarned. According to Physics Man's chart at your weight you need true massive fatties to get an "effective powder float" that means 100mm+ wide. Not too many well known bump skis in that width class. It may be more effective to go with a fat that is softer like the PRs and then see how you like it in the bumps. If you buy on ebay you can sell on ebay and not loose to much $$ if you change your mind.
post #22 of 56
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tromano
If its 50 Pow / 50 Bumps then 2nds on the 8000. Its a fairly felxible and lively ski IMO. Certainly not too much for bumps. I did demo in a very short lenght for my weight 165cm and me 195#. That may color by perception but I remeber it was above average of class in bumps and a fun ski overall. I skied it on icy bumps in the rain and it was still a nice ski. And its wide enough to give some float 79mm. The 8800 is 88mm I think.

However be forewarned. According to Physics Man's chart at your weight you need true massive fatties to get an "effective powder float" that means 100mm+ wide. Not too many well known bump skis in that width class. It may be more effective to go with a fat that is softer like the PRs and then see how you like it in the bumps. If you buy on ebay you can sell on ebay and not loose to much $$ if you change your mind.
Hmmm...where is PM's chart?
post #23 of 56
I don't see any problem with someone your size being on Pocket Rockets. I know a couple skiers that are bigger than you and ski them. The PR is not as soft as everyone claims. They do have a soft tip so if you're used to pressuring the tip of stiff skis you will not like them.

I haven't skied the Legend 8000 but I from what I know of the Legend line they are stiff with a great edge hold. For a precise skier in icy conditions those characteristics are great but for someone less percise skiing in flat light they will punish you. Personally, I like a ski that with a softer flex that can be easily skidded around in moguls.

My current mogul ski is the X-Hot in a 175cm length which do a good job in powder, also. They are worth looking into if you are worried about the softness of the Blue Noodles.
post #24 of 56
Rio is right on with the Xtra Hots. I was able to demo them twice and they worked great in the bumps... but... I've already said it, the B2's are the best ski I've been on. Super great in the bumps. I'm not a great bump skier and when I made a mistake they did not buck me off like a bull rider.
post #25 of 56
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rio
They do have a soft tip so if you're used to pressuring the tip of stiff skis you will not like them.
Uh oh.

I ski SX:11's now. This is an issue I hadn't considered. I need to be able to switch back and forth as needed without having to relearn the skis!
post #26 of 56
No one mentioned the B5? It is slightly under 80mm I am not sure I would want anything wider for in the bumps.
post #27 of 56
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
No one mentioned the B5? It is slightly under 80mm I am not sure I would want anything wider for in the bumps.
I suspect the B5 is a little stiff for the multitasking. Maybe the M:10?
post #28 of 56
Elan M666
post #29 of 56
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Originally Posted by jstraw
I suspect the B5 is a little stiff for the multitasking. Maybe the M:10?
I would be afraid of the M:10 in the bumps..too much metal. The M:9's work, but is 74 under the boot enough for powder?

So, we need a wide ski that is quick edge to edge..whats the problem??
post #30 of 56
Thread Starter 
Argh!
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