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post #91 of 112
those graphics are pretty good, imho. the artistic value reflects the youth culture of today (ill leave the debate of youth culture of today to others.)
i like a more sophisicated look on my skis, which im still looking to buy.
those graphics attracts me definately, but i dont think ill buy any of them.

admiring them is enough..its like going to an art gallery instead of buying a piece of art.
ill buy something that i personally would want to keep.
post #92 of 112
Oh,God. If only the world would stop spinning at exactly the moment that suited each of us best to our individual comfort zone.
The only constant is change. And the only valid critique of a ski is how it performs on the snow.
The vanity of arrogantly claiming possession of the ultimate ability to judge artistic endeavors..... Bring it on home to the roots - of being humble enough to know none of us are the end-all when it comes to opinions on graphics, much less anything else.

I was at SIA. I thought the cartoon graphics were simply part of the evolution of companies seeking to set themselves apart. Like blinking pizeomatic damening systems, fat skis, carbon tube and carbon fiber construction. Just like freeskiing changed the sport, the graphics will change one aspect of marketing as these elements evolve. Like Trix, they're not just for kids.

I'm 50 and I welcome change on every forefront of skiing. And I, too, own some old Northland skis.
post #93 of 112
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Originally Posted by Sluff Vertigo
And the only valid critique of a ski is how it performs on the snow.
The vanity of arrogantly claiming possession of the ultimate ability to judge artistic endeavors.
Ummm...the only valid critique of a ski's performance may be its performance but the valid critique of a ski's appearance is its appearance. You can argue that the apppearance doesn't matter but that's a subjective assessment. It might matter to someone else. Which brings me to the second part of the passage I quote above...I have not seen any such arrogance or claim. I se a lot of personal reactions and opinions. I'm able to recognize them as such and not confuse any Epic Ski contributor with The Oracle. I'm not about to feel stupid for liking something someone here dislikes or vice versa. How come other people's opinions bother you so much...or more importantly, since they do, why do you aggravate yourself by reading them?
post #94 of 112
The world goes round and round... There's a pretty funny thread over at TGR pretty much dedicated to whining about this particular thread dedicated to whining here at EpickSki... :

LOL at the whole thing!
post #95 of 112
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Originally Posted by spindrift
The world goes round and round... There's a pretty funny thread over at TGR pretty much dedicated to whining about this particular thread dedicated to whining here at EpickSki... :

LOL at the whole thing!
Got a pointer?
post #96 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by jstraw
Ummm...the only valid critique of a ski's performance may be its performance but the valid critique of a ski's appearance is its appearance. You can argue that the apppearance doesn't matter but that's a subjective assessment. It might matter to someone else. Which brings me to the second part of the passage I quote above...I have not seen any such arrogance or claim. I se a lot of personal reactions and opinions. I'm able to recognize them as such and not confuse any Epic Ski contributor with The Oracle. I'm not about to feel stupid for liking something someone here dislikes or vice versa. How come other people's opinions bother you so much...or more importantly, since they do, why do you aggravate yourself by reading them?
"....none of us are the end-all when it comes to opinions on graphics, much less anything else." - me.

At what point did I state other people's opinions bothered me or that I was aggravated? Please speak for yourself.

And yes, I did get a whiff of arrogance in some of those posts, perhaps even yours.
post #97 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluff Vertigo
At what point did I state other people's opinions bothered me or that I was aggravated?
State? It has to be stated? Is *this* mischaracterized as aggravation:

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Oh,God. If only the world would stop spinning at exactly the moment that suited each of us best to our individual comfort zone.
If you want to play semantics, pick another word and I'll edit my previous post.

We're commenting on the pictures of skis and yes, often negatively. You're commenting on our comments.
post #98 of 112
OK - I'll take 'nitpicking' for $500.

Perhaps this says it for you more eloquently-

"Uncritical semantics is the myth of a museum in which the exhibits are meanings and the words are labels." - Willard Van Orman Quine

image image image it's all about image who cares if the skis ain't topped with the steeze or the skeeze

I agree strongly with gonzostrike on that statement.

stupid poseur TGR sponsored wannabe sticks, that's what they are

But found that one a bit ludicrous.

My statements were directed more toward the negative criticisms of the kids and their preferences for whatever floats their boats.

The youth of an art is, like the youth of anything else, its most interesting period. Youth demands more than ordinary life.
Age clings to it.
post #99 of 112
Yep, you are nitpicking.

And where is the arrogance you accused *me* of. I just indicated I thought the graphics were predominantly hideous. That this means to MY OWN TASTES ought to be understood.
post #100 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluff Vertigo
OK - I'll take 'nitpicking' for $500.

Perhaps this says it for you more eloquently-

"Uncritical semantics is the myth of a museum in which the exhibits are meanings and the words are labels." - Willard Van Orman Quine

image image image it's all about image who cares if the skis ain't topped with the steeze or the skeeze

I agree strongly with gonzostrike on that statement.

stupid poseur TGR sponsored wannabe sticks, that's what they are

But found that one a bit ludicrous.

My statements were directed more toward the negative criticisms of the kids and their preferences for whatever floats their boats.

The youth of an art is, like the youth of anything else, its most interesting period. Youth demands more than ordinary life.
Age clings to it.
when a maggot says I'm being a bit ludicrous, it's time to turn up the heat! go slough daddy go!
post #101 of 112
I was at a ski shop tonight which had the new Line Prophet 130 in stock (130mm waist!) The thing is huge but I think it looks great, nice graphic but not too busy looking. The new Armada AR5 looks horrible, trying to do a throwback to the 80s but it just doesn't work (in my opinion).

Watch out for the return of one-piece suits with fake fur collars next season in your local terrain park
post #102 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzostrike
when a maggot says I'm being a bit ludicrous, it's time to turn up the heat! go slough daddy go!
Someone posted your remark over there to characterize the hostlity.
Maybe I just bit.
But please feel free to turn up the heat.
post #103 of 112
hey gonzo how old r u?
post #104 of 112
old enough to not use "r" instead of "are" or "u" instead of "you" lazybones.
post #105 of 112
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Originally Posted by gonzostrike
old enough to not use "r" instead of "are" or "u" instead of "you" lazybones.
Huh, I pictured you as being older than 12.

You crack me up.
post #106 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by jstraw
Yep, you are nitpicking.

And where is the arrogance you accused *me* of. I just indicated I thought the graphics were predominantly hideous. That this means to MY OWN TASTES ought to be understood.
No response? As I thought. Who's arrogant? Yeah...
post #107 of 112
Sorry, I was arrogantly celebrating the maggot-sponsored ski placing 7th at the Snowbird IFSA comp today. You weren't a priority.

But the fact I apparently offended *you* made this response a priority for you, so I thought I'd check in. And as I stated above (and should be understood as well, since we've delved into the slimy underbelly of subtly inferring what each other is saying), I was bagging on people trashing youth and their artistic inclinations.

Sorry, playing word games with you is not on my life list of things to obsess about. Have a great day. If I'm not back tomorrow, just continue as if I was.
I'm going skiing.
post #108 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by jstraw
No response? As I thought. Who's arrogant? Yeah...

Jstraw, Want to by some Bromodels?
post #109 of 112
Sluff, what Bro would you suggest for someone who's 5'10" 160lbs aggressive but finesse (not stomping his gear) high level but not TGR sponsored skier?

I'm on the line, and ready to snap. I like softer flex for softer snow, and firmer for firm snow. I don't expect to ski a lot of firm snow on the Bros.

thanks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluff Vertigo
Sorry, I was arrogantly celebrating the maggot-sponsored ski placing 7th at the Snowbird IFSA comp today. You weren't a priority.

But the fact I apparently offended *you* made this response a priority for you, so I thought I'd check in. And as I stated above (and should be understood as well, since we've delved into the slimy underbelly of subtly inferring what each other is saying), I was bagging on people trashing youth and their artistic inclinations.

Sorry, playing word games with you is not on my life list of things to obsess about. Have a great day. If I'm not back tomorrow, just continue as if I was.
I'm going skiing.
post #110 of 112
Gonzo -- I'll chime in to answer your question since Sluff is traveling a bit. Since you say you don't expect to ski a lot of firm snow on the Bro's...I'm inclined to say the softer version might be best for ya.

Just FYI -- I'm 5'10" 170 lbs., consider myself pretty aggressive, and I'm going for the stiff. But I ski mainly the Sierras, and often find myself busting through crud more so than light pow, so I will mainly be using the middle of the road stiff Bro (we also make a Super Stiff...which is comparable to say a Stockli DP or high flex index Igneous).

Also -- If you really do have a finger on the trigger and need these skis soon, I have to tell you that we're currently backordered quite a bit and it might be some time before you get your skis.

I'm on the road for the next few days myself and won't be able to check in here really, but feel free to shoot me off any questions you have to ron@pmgearusa.com . I'd be happy to answer any questions you have on shipping dates, the different flexes, comparisons to other skis, etc. I'll have access to that account Monday night. Thanks.
post #111 of 112
honestly gonzo, how old r u really?
post #112 of 112
thanks, 'Rone. I think it's going to be for next season for AT use, so I can wait. this season's in the sh!tter just about, unless miracles arrive in the Northern Rockies.

strider, I have a gold tooth cap that's 3 years old. caused by tooth fractures from playing lacrosse in college 1981-1985 w/o a mouthguard. do the math.
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