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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I'm thinking I just got my new XScream series from the factory for Warr replacement and I'm not sure I want to ski so early in the season on them and I probably don't need my students skiing on the topskins. so maybe I need to purchase some more skis [img]tongue.gif[/img] If you were in the market for used/demo skis for use while you teach what would you be looking for. I suspect I will not be teaching above the 3-4 level at least for the first year.

I'm 155lbs 5'8" male.
post #2 of 17
Keep an eye on Ebay. Theere are X-scram demos going through for around 200.00 w/bindings.
post #3 of 17

You ski on the bottoms, not the tops.

Hey, now that you are an instructor, does that mean all the Bears can get Sugar Bowl swag [free trinkets] and discount tix? How about putting a word in with Reb at the bar to stock some OE 800.

BTW, I'm kidding about the swag and tix (but not the OE). Congrats on the new gig.
post #4 of 17
Rossi Cut 10.4 . Perfect for low speed manuevers.
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 

I have no idea what the benefits/swag are yet. so it's a wait and see.

Since I don't really care for oe800 it probably would not be my place to ask but if I end up at the bar, I'll put in a word for you

I know ski on the bottoms but it's still nice not to feel someone run across the tops of your brand new skis [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #6 of 17
I have sold a lot of 1080s to instuctors ,they are pretty good all mt.
post #7 of 17
Talk to folks where you work about good pro form prices. Last year Elan had great prices and tremendous skis. I'm still on a pair and hope to sell them for about what I paid. I have been asked to "pro rep" for K2. They say their program is for full time folks, although it has been left to my discretion.

Ask around. Someone will give you a good deal on a pro form.

Last year Fischer had good pricing and I taught on an alltrax 68 till it broke in bumps.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 12, 2001 07:39 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Rusty Guy ]</font>
post #8 of 17

What was wrong with your XScreams?
I bent mine.

The shop said No to a warranty.
2000 models.
about 45 days on em.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 12, 2001 07:43 PM: Message edited 1 time, by zeek ]</font>
post #9 of 17
dchan: Check the Reliable Racing folks for some gate protectors. They are just rubber like weather stripping that sticks the the shovel and keeps the gash/slash down a bit.

I taught for a good part of last season on GS skis that were a bit long. Towards the end of the season I went over to the Volkl SL in a 170 and found it much better. Short and good sidecut will help in demoing those "tip to turn" the ski manuvers.
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
Topskin stress fractures (cosmetic and not covered according to the rep) but when I called the factory and talked to the manager in charge of warr repair/returns he said it was covered and processed the paperwork and I got my new skis. I had about 35 days on them and they were the 2001 model.
post #11 of 17
Get a pair of twins for teaching. The are generally cheaper and shorter so they are great for getting around on. Plus you tend to ski backwords from time to time in the lower levels. I have been teaching on my 1080's for three years and they work great.
post #12 of 17
I agree with the short TT suggestion.

Short is *really* nice every time you wind up having to ski with some little kid between your legs in a wide snowplow because they freak out at the top of the bunny hill and refuse to budge unless you help them down. I did it enough times on 207's that my leg muscles cringe just thinking about it.

You certainly don't need TT's to ski in a backwards snowplow slowly on green groomers, but I must admit, it is kinda nice not having to worry that your tails might dig into a pile of snow.

Tom / PM

(OK, my age is showing: replace all occurrences of "snowplow" with "wedge" in the above.)
post #13 of 17
Twins work well, but as miles mentioned above short soft skis are really nice to emphasise movements to the students, last yrs rentals work well for this, usually dirt cheap and already scratched to hell.
No matter what anybody says about using the bases to ski on when a student runs over your new skis leaving a gash or two, a small tear does come to the eyes... :
post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys, More food for thought.
I have always done a lot of backwards skiing (it's just fun) but never really thought about the need for twintips. Of course I had some of the early twintips when ballet was the fun "new school". Anyone remember Olin mark IV ballet skis. bright orange and twin tips [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #15 of 17
Dchan. Go with the twintips. Just bought a new pair of Blizzard FR18s in a 175cm. Demoed them at the end of the season and like them a lot. They are quite stiff and fast but short enough that they should be fine in bumps. Hope to show you them in person if we hook up at Whistler early next year!

If you like skiing backwards TTs are definitely the go. Many instructors at our hill teach on 1080s for that reason.
post #16 of 17
Hi DChan--

You're right--the tops of your teaching skis will be demolished! But it won't affect the way they work....

Actually, the choice of skis for teaching has never been easier. When students all started on 150's, and instructors all skied on 200-210's, it was difficult sometimes to demonstrate in a way that was meaningful for the students. Some instructors got special short skis just for teaching. But that didn't work very well if you showed up to lineup and got a high-level lesson. Or if work was slim and you wanted to go take a few runs--you had to go back inside and switch skis. I have never enjoyed teaching on skis that I don't enjoy skiing on!

But now, there are so many great, high-end, versatile skis that are 170cm or shorter that it is easier to teach on your performance skis. So teach on your "good" skis. You'll cringe the first few times they get skied over, but you'll get over it!

Not to be contentious, but I don't support the strong suggestions here that you use twin-tips for teaching. Not that they wouldn't work great, but they aren't necessary. They solve a problem we don't have! It's a time-honored ski-teaching tradition to ski backwards in front of your students, and instructors have been doing it just fine without twin tips for many years. I have NEVER seen an instructor catch a tail and crash when skiing backwards on "regular" skis. So teach on twin-tips if you like twin-tips, but I wouldn't buy a pair just for teaching.

The big exception is if you teach in a program designed around the new very short (110-135cm) special beginners' skis. If so, you should be on the same skis they are on. And frankly, for reasons I can't explain, those tiny, low-performance skis are a blast to go out and rip around on after the lesson!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks BobB
the only problem is my good skis are 187cm I guess that would be ok but maybe I'll buy some shorter ones for teaching. I was thinking about getting some short SL skis anyway. In all my 37 years of skiing I think the only time I caught a tail skiing backwards was when I was trying to go pretty fast parallel backwards and hit a powder pile on the edge of a groomed run. and it was after being distracted by someone I knew yelling at me from the lift. I turned my head to look up and "yard sale"
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