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Need help with choosing the right length for Volkl Gotama!!!!

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
Hello guys!!


Here is the question that was asked many times before. I'm thinking about getting a new Volkl Gotama and would like to hear the advice from people that actually skied on them (please indicate your weight and height). Which length should I go for, 183 or 190? I'm 5'11, 185 lbs, 26 yo, current ski: Volkl P40 GS 193 cm and I like skiing on long skis)).
post #2 of 26
me: 5'9", 145#s.
fav terrain: anything rough, tough and full of fresh. i prefer to ski open, above treeline, but the dictates of the day usually put me somewhere under the treeline searching for stuff to jump off and for 3 turns in fresh. prefer to make GS length turns to short turns. i avoid bumps like the plague.

love the 190 for bombing. it is huge and fast.

love the 183 for all day skiing and versatility (still super stable, yet much easier to handle). it's almost a different ski.

if plan to buy this ski for huge deep days only, get the 190.

if you want to ski all the time, get the 183.

the 183 is much, much more easy to handle in the trees and bumps.

i now primarily use my 190 for snowmobile days.
post #3 of 26
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Originally Posted by unionbowler

love the 190 for bombing. it is huge and fast.

love the 183 for all day skiing and versatility (still super stable, yet much easier to handle). it's almost a different ski.

if plan to buy this ski for huge deep days only, get the 190.

if you want to ski all the time, get the 183.

the 183 is much, much more easy to handle in the trees and bumps.
+1

6' 2" 185 lbs

I demo'd the Got in a 183cm. See above. I love bumps esp in powder so I'd get the 183.

I have 189cm K2 Made N AK. Note that adding cm to the ski length in a ski of that girth adds considerable weight to the ski. My quads are aching after a 1/2 day on the K2.
post #4 of 26
Skyrocket,

Have you ever been on anything fat (90-mm+ in the waist) and if so what? Also, where will you be using these? Last, why Gotama's?

I just picked up the 183's, but haven't spent any time on them yet...

Oh, and since it is my MO, have you thought about a 190 Explosiv? If not, you really ought to...
post #5 of 26
re above: the Explosiv is far more versatile than the Gotama; much stiffer too; less sidecut. An apples and oranges thing. I loooooooove my Explosiv.


Thanks to the guys above.
post #6 of 26
I can't help but chime in here on the Explosiv. We've all read many times the opinions of Bandit Man/Explosiv/others on this ski. I know this thread is for the Gotama but I want to hear it from Jim S and Bandit Man. How can the Explosiv be so stiff and also so good in powder. Is this a magic ski? I don't understand how that's possible.
post #7 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thank you guys for your input and advice about Explosiv, but I'm only interested in Gotama.
post #8 of 26
[HIJACK]

MAGNOE,

To me it's simple...The Explosiv has less sidecut and although it is "stiff" by today's standard, th tip is a tad softer than the tail, which allows it to float. Also, the newer models have a mounting point that is further back than a lot of other fat skis, again maximizing float. The stiffness just makes it rock at any speed, and makes it as capable in powder as it is in crud and windblown. I would concede that there may be better powder-specific skis, especially for finesse-type skiers. However, it is hard to beat the performance of an Explosiv as an all-around master, regardless of snow conditions. So there is my somewhat biased, but spoken from experience opinion.

[/HIJACK]
post #9 of 26
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Originally Posted by skyrocket101
Thank you guys for your input and advice about Explosiv, but I'm only interested in Gotama.
If you want versatility go 183...if you want to ski fast and do big turns go 190. It's that easy. Unless you have the inside line though, the 190's are getting harder to find.

I didn't want to decide so I have a Gotama (183) and two pairs of Explosiv's (180/190)...
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by Bandit Man
[HIJACK]

MAGNOE,

To me it's simple...The Explosiv has less sidecut and although it is "stiff" by today's standard, th tip is a tad softer than the tail, which allows it to float. Also, the newer models have a mounting point that is further back than a lot of other fat skis, again maximizing float. The stiffness just makes it rock at any speed, and makes it as capable in powder as it is in crud and windblown. I would concede that there may be better powder-specific skis, especially for finesse-type skiers. However, it is hard to beat the performance of an Explosiv as an all-around master, regardless of snow conditions. So there is my somewhat biased, but spoken from experience opinion.

[/HIJACK]
Ok... that was.... well... exactly what I was looking for. That makes sense and you didn't reply with a non-useful reply like "that's because they are magic".
Skyrocket101, sorry to use your thread to get that clarified, but it was driving me nuts. The softer tip and mounting points makes sense.
post #11 of 26
Thread Starter 
" Unless you have the inside line though, the 190's are getting harder to find."

Does this mean that 190's are more popular than 183's?
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by skyrocket101
" Unless you have the inside line though, the 190's are getting harder to find."

Does this mean that 190's are more popular than 183's?
They did sell out at the factory first, so...

I say go for the 190...if you like really fat skis. Have you demo'd these or anything close to them? Anything this fat can be a real adjustment...but that can be a really good thing, too.

Heck, a few months ago Jim S. claimed his SkiCross 10's were the perfect all-mtn. ski (not meant as a jab, Jim), but obviously you can see he has a different opinion, now. Then again, he did demo quite a bit to come to the conclusion he finally arrived at...
post #13 of 26
Big means Big on this thread.

These are not the same ski. If you ski the BIG stuff, get the 190's.

I am 6' and weigh 220. I ski the 183's and they are great.

I have skied the 190's and if you are out of woods and always off piste, they are a blast.

The 183's still ski great, and you can ski them almost anywhere on the hill.

There is no bad choice with this ski.
post #14 of 26
Thread Starter 
So guy, if I'm getting this right then Gotama 190 should be more stable on higher speeds than 183, but it doesn't turn as good as 183 on moguls or trees. Am I right?)))
post #15 of 26
Skyrocket101,

Per our previous discussion, I'd go with the 183 (I'm 5'9", 184 lbs and I had the 183's prior to my Sanouk's). I did not find an upper limit on either ski, it's just that the 183 is much more versatile than the 190.

Make sure and answer the inquiries herein. Have you ever been on a fat ski?

How fast do you want to go? 40mph? 50mph? Faster?

How big to you want to huck? 30 footers? 40 footers? Bigger?

Both skis will do 50mph and take a 40' landing. Not at the same time, of course.:

You'll need some pretty wide open spaces to ski the 190. And yes the 183 does ski the trees and chutes much better.

Also the Gotama is not made for skiing moguls. It's made for skiing crud, pow, and landing 30 footers switch in the BC.
There are still both lengths around, but most shops will want close to full price. Look in Jackson, Bozeman, Driggs. Pro form Gotama's have been gone since late October.
post #16 of 26
Man, 190 cm Gotamas are going to be gigantic monsters compared to your P40s.
post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by skyrocket101
So guy, if I'm getting this right then Gotama 190 should be more stable on higher speeds than 183, but it doesn't turn as good as 183 on moguls or trees. Am I right?)))
interestingly enough, i find the 183 to be more stable for my smaller frame. with the 183 the ski is much quieter and easier to control on hard snow (notice i speak of hard snow. discussing which length is better in pow is redundant). i think with the gotama you cannot go short (176), but if you go too long, it will be only useful in super wide open above treeline terrain.

i can turn the 183 really short, the 190 feels like a beast in comparison (good for times when nobody is within long range bombing distance).

i can go nearly as fast on the 183 all the time as on the 190.

this comes down to the size of your body and your intended use. if you are moving from a P40, you will like the 183 ALOT more.
post #18 of 26
Where is Gotamagal when you need her!

Alfonse
post #19 of 26
VEGAS BABY!



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Originally Posted by Alfonse
Where is Gotamagal when you need her!

Alfonse
post #20 of 26
Get the 190. Huge twin makes it more like 185 anyway.

The 183 would be fun to whip around, oh wait, so are the 190s.
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Heck, a few months ago Jim S. claimed his SkiCross 10's were the perfect all-mtn. ski (not meant as a jab, Jim), but obviously you can see he has a different opinion, now. Then again, he did demo quite a bit to come to the conclusion he finally arrived at...
I didn't know what I was missing out on. Also, opinions can change. All these years I was working so hard in crud and powder on narrow waisted skis: I grew up with MY 1970s-1980s northeast race ski mentality and mind-set. When I skied more of Aspen and moved to the Tahoe Reno area last year and purchased new skis this year, it was a real eye opener.

You can dig what I'm saying to the Oracle, right Morpheus?

GOTAMA

I demo'd the 183 and to get to and from the chair and versatility I imagine it is far sweeter than the 190. The 190 would a much specific quiver ski. Which is the attitude I have with my gargantuan 189cm Made N AK.
post #22 of 26
[HIKACK Part II]

Not that anyone really cares, but my 183's are getting mounted today...

Let's see...sold the V-Pro's and replaced with Gotama's...keeps the quiver expansion flat...yep, that works!

[/HIJACK Part II]
post #23 of 26
Thread Starter 
Bandit Man, what bindings are you installing and if I may ask, where did you buy your Gotamas and how much you paid? )))) Also, could you tell me your weight and height, I got the asnwer for your question, I skied my friend's 176 Gotamas last year and they really felt short.

Is there a difference between 2003 and 2004 Gotamas? I heard that the sidewalls are improved on this year Gotama and they got stiffer, is that right?
post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by skyrocket101
Bandit Man, what bindings are you installing and if I may ask, where did you buy your Gotamas and how much you paid? )))) Also, could you tell me your weight and height, I got the asnwer for your question, I skied my friend's 176 Gotamas last year and they really felt short.

Is there a difference between 2003 and 2004 Gotamas? I heard that the sidewalls are improved on this year Gotama and they got stiffer, is that right?
Skyrocket,

Glad to hear that you skied a Gotama. You sound like you might like the 190, but for the record, I have never heard of someone saying that the 190 was in anyway short or not enough ski. I can imagine that for your size and ability, the 176 felt really squirrelly.

I had a pair of near new 914's with minimal lift from my 189 Seth Pistols that I parted with earlier in the seasons, so those are going on the Got's. If I was buying a new binding for them, I would have gone with a Look P12 or P14...just like those a little better these days.

I debated between the 183 and 190 myself. At 5'8" and 175 lbs, I could go either way. However, since I have a 190 Explosiv in the quiver, coupled with the fact that I'm nursing a shoulder re-build, I went a little more conservative. Mind you, I have too many fat skis (admitting you have a problem is the first step), and wanted more of an all-mtn, pow ski versus an AK-deep-day only board.

Supposedly the 04-05 ski has an improved (translate: less likely to crack) sidewall. However, I think Descender has developed a crack or two in his newer 190's. Volkl also stiffened it a tad with either beefer edges, steel edge protectors or a combo of both. I haven't been on the first gen Gotama, but the 04-05 does feel a little more substantial on the good ole "hand-flex" test.

I got mine from a guy on this site. I'm not sure what the story was, but he gave me a nice competitive price. I'm not sure if he owns a shop or was just looking to move a pair he had...anyhow I really scored and I'll leave it at that.
post #25 of 26
Thread Starter 
Man, could it be a little bit easier for God's sake to choose the right ski? )) And finally, this season is terriable in Pacific NW, so I can't even demo them, but the sales will begin in few weeks.

Bandit Man, 10 lbs should not make a big difference, I guess our experience got to be almost the same, please give your opinion after you ski them.
post #26 of 26
Thread Starter 
Bandit man, were you abe to ski yours yet? I'm interested in your opinion.
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