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post #31 of 47
Well- with Angelina Jolie I'd rather rub; don't you agree?
post #32 of 47
^Forget waxing!^ That would require a full tune
post #33 of 47
I'd wax her anytiime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chicks dig tuners......hahahahaha
post #34 of 47
crayoning wax on is a very accepted method of waxing, however, when you do it, you have to make sure you crayon plenty of wax onto the ski (you will still use less than you would if dripping). I like to make sure there is a good light around, and I look for any spots that might not have enough wax before I start ironing. When I crayon on wax, I use about 1/2 as much as I would if dripping, and you can get a pretty good work out from it too. A lot of top notch tuners will crayon wax if they are corking the wax on (friction melt), but the crayon/iron technique seems to be catching on a lot.

Scalce, you really should have no more chance to burn your base than you would if you drip waxed.

What I find interesting though is how many people do not fully understand how and why skis slide and how the tuning affects it, and how/why different waxes work in different ways for different conditions. People just assume the more hydrophbic the wax the better, but this is not always the case.
post #35 of 47
Manus- True many don't realize that wax creates the proper amount of friction against the snow to melt the proper amount of snow into water so one is gliding on a thin film of water. Too much melt and you're waterskiing.... plowing through water. The other way around, not enough snow is melted which can slow you down and also damage the base.

Don't you just love it when you hear, "I only wax about once a year... I don't want to go very fast."? hehehe
post #36 of 47
Originally Posted by Manus
Scalce, you really should have no more chance to burn your base than you would if you drip waxed.
I crayon my wax on and use a cork or Wax Wizard when travelling so I am already familiar with how to do that.

When I tried to just crayon and then iron, I don't beleive there was enough of a wax buffer and the base was getting heated too fast and too much.

I was under the impression that the wax is what's supposed to be hot which then in turn warms up the base and opens the pores.

If you iron with only a very small layer then you are heating the base because you are making more direct contact with it.

I am not saying that it doesn't work but there is definately more of a risk for base burn.

Beleive me I would love to have a quicker way to wax, scrape, and conserve my wax but I think it is risky with universal and colder waxes.
post #37 of 47

- Is mentioned in "How the Racers Ski," which came out in 1972 ... so it's not exactly a recent innovation.

- Is recommended by Dominator as the best method for applying their full-on race waxes, where you're supposed to mix the temperature-specific main wax with a new/old snow specific anti-static wax.

Then again: I pretty much always use the old-fashioned drip method, at least with everday hydrocarbon waxes. Quick and sloppy.
post #38 of 47
Now are you talking about rubbing the cold wax on or warming it on an iron first and then crayoning it?

Dominator says to heat it first with the iron.

I think the guys in this post are just rubbing it on cold.

I could be mistaken though.
post #39 of 47
Ah. I was thinking warming it with the iron, briefly, then crayoning it. Looking back, I don't know which way the people who first raised were talking about.
post #40 of 47
I won't worry about waisting wax until I throw for a small can of race wax at $150, and I'd buy that only if I were running for a $10,000 purse. The probability of me doing that is about .5 or 1. That's like saying "a hand's chance in a hornet's nest."

What I do seems to work very well... what I learned from Toko's wax and tune clinic, and picking the brains of guys here and elsewhere. The only problem I run into is when we get patches of snow snakes... those little guys that reach up and grab your skis on wet days and decelerate you from 30 mph or so down to 5 or 10 inside of a few yards (inches?) I use the flurocarbo paste I keep in my jacket which helps for a few runs. I was just wondering if there were any other tricks available.
post #41 of 47
And here I'd always thought a probability of 1 was absolute certainty (and .5 is as likely as not). I hope you win the $10,000.
post #42 of 47
I think I might have been the first to bring up the crayon/direct rub idea at this thread...answering your ques. sj...j I am rubbing the wax (usually Swix) on cold (that would be room temp on a room temp ski).

I think Scalce may have a point with dripping after rubbing it on --IF-- it is an unusally hard wax and it is tough to rub a decent amount on to the ski directly.

When you think about it...........I bet when most of us dripped wax on in the usual way, we didn't cover the entire base with the drip lines....then we stuck a hot iron on the wax lines and the base......One HOT iron---directly on the base !

jyarddog--straight paraffin (the stuff grandma canned stuff with) is really cheap and available at your local grocery store. It works well (for what it is) in all but cold conditions and really excells in wet conditions because it is so soft. Like the fluro-paste it will hold up pretty well for a few hours if rubbed on to the base (as rough a texture as possible for really wet conditions) right on the hill. It won't give the performance levels that a "real" wax job will do---but you will be sliding without sticking again.
(For about 1.69 a box---which will last a few years)
post #43 of 47
sjj- You are right. Probability is done by point and the numeral. My mistake. A probability of .998 etc would be statistically a certainty. That's above 3 standard deviations.

Sometimes I hear people talking about a subject and saying, "and that's a probability 85 to 1," or they then give a %. 85 to 1 is odds which can relate to Prob. and % is further down the line in reliability. They say probability then state odds. Anyway- I stand corrected. - Bob
post #44 of 47
Uncle Louie- Great idea. A few months ago someone mentioned parafin at my store. I advised against it, thinking it was a bit different. I learned only a few days later that right on the box it says it's for skiing as well. (a good all temp wax) My wife bought some. We have some pine shavings to spread around in our chicken house and duck house. Now, we also melt parafin into paper cupcake holders. Put shavings in, pack tight, pour in melted parafin. Pine shaving will or might float then sink, put in more shavings till cup is full. Let cool and serve at room temp to your fireplace! One works great as a firestarter. Just lay a match on top and it gets going. Well... yeah... ya gotta lit the fool match first.

Actually, once all the drips are on the ski and you're ready to attack the ski with the iron, your iron hits the wax. As it melts, it spreads. Truly there is no danger of the iron hitting the bare base. Just don't stay in one spot while ya smoke a rope or two. Iron should be about 249° or slightly less but not over.

Remember Shakespear's Ugly stick in fishing? I'm waiting to see some ski commercial where the guy claims this ski is unbreakable, and then he grabs the tip and tail and bends them down to touch each other! bwahahaha Yes people the Dog is sick! He's finally lost it!
post #45 of 47
LOL--jya--just reminded me of a comical moment many years ago at the NY Ski Show. Not to Hijack--but a couple of us college genius types thought if two of us jumped, at once, on a Graves (unbreakable ski) we could surely bust it. That was their big sales point and I never saw one break.

From what I remember I hit the Graves sales guy from the "rebound" and my friend landed at the booth next door and knocked over a bunch of skis ! And of course---the ski survived.
post #46 of 47
Bwahahaha! I wish I had seen that! I'll bet the guys at the next booth were not amused! Whatever happened to the Graves ski? I haven't heard of them.
post #47 of 47
Graves went out of business many years ago---the ski was just too heavy and didn't perform all that well.

Their standard deal at the show was to put one between two chairs and let you jump on it----bust it----they gave you a pair for free !

The guys in the next booth actually were laughing like everbody else---no harm done and not a big mess. Some Good AIR though.
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