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Need something All-Mountain, 6 star, sup'speeds, cross pros???

post #1 of 25
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I have never owned a pair of "all-mountain" skis but think I might finally give in. Any racing I do is just for fun, and I already have some true race skis. Just for your knowledge, I am 6'1" and just under 200lbs. I like to ski fast and aggressive...

I am considering the 6******, the Superspeeds and or maybe the Stockli Cross Pro. First, are these skis as solid as a race ski, or at least close? I would love something that I can relax on, ski some crud, occassional bumps, etc. However, I don't want something too watered down because I usually end up doing GS turns on the nasty East coast snow I often ski on.

Once I decide on a ski, what about length? I currently ski GS in the 185-188 range, SL 161 or 165. I have not quite gotten comfortable with the short skis in anything but smooth hard snow. If I dip below 180 in these skis I assume they will perform fair better than an SL race ski in crud, or ungroomed snow?

Final question, if I decide on Volkls can I use a standard Marker 1400 or 1800 on them? I already own a few pair of comp bindings but didn't know if the 6****** or the Superspeed require a special marker binding?
Thanks!
post #2 of 25
Thread Starter 
Forgot to add... how would a "non race stock" race ski suit my needs? Something like the SL9, GS9 or the Fischer RC....
post #3 of 25
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Originally Posted by kestner9
I have never owned a pair of "all-mountain" skis but think I might finally give in. Any racing I do is just for fun, and I already have some true race skis. Just for your knowledge, I am 6'1" and just under 200lbs. I like to ski fast and aggressive...

I am considering the 6******, the Superspeeds and or maybe the Stockli Cross Pro. First, are these skis as solid as a race ski, or at least close? I would love something that I can relax on, ski some crud, occassional bumps, etc. However, I don't want something too watered down because I usually end up doing GS turns on the nasty East coast snow I often ski on.

Once I decide on a ski, what about length? I currently ski GS in the 185-188 range, SL 161 or 165. I have not quite gotten comfortable with the short skis in anything but smooth hard snow. If I dip below 180 in these skis I assume they will perform fair better than an SL race ski in crud, or ungroomed snow?

Final question, if I decide on Volkls can I use a standard Marker 1400 or 1800 on them? I already own a few pair of comp bindings but didn't know if the 6****** or the Superspeed require a special marker binding?
Thanks!
All mountain means different things. Where do you ski? There are all mountain carving skis and all mountain mid fats for western snow conditions.

Personally, I ski an Atomic SX11M for hard snow conditions and have a pair of Dynastar Legend 8000s for western conditions. Like the SX11s better than the 6*s but that is purely a subjective feeling....both are great skis for hard snow.

Race stock skis do not have the versatility of skis like the SX11 for hard snow and are no where as versatile as mid fats like the 8000 for soft snow conditions. Any "all mountain" ski will be a compromise so consider at least 2 skis.

Cannot comment on the Stockli as I have never skied them.
post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply. I primarily ski in the east. However, if it is a really hard day I will likely break out my GS skis. Therefore, I guess I would be using whatever pair I buy mostly on days where the snow is good, but "east coast good." I also wouldn't mind having something that will work ok during occassional western trips.
post #5 of 25
the stoeckli laser cross pro is a weapon and nothing but. not any any fun if not ridden really fast. great ski, but who will provide you with empty slopes for the day?
post #6 of 25
I love the superspeed. For ripping big turns in the east there is no ski that holds as good of an edge.
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by kosackthrower
I love the superspeed. For ripping big turns in the east there is no ski that holds as good of an edge.
Agreed but watch out inthe bumps they have quite a bit of metal in them and can bend, I would go 6*. As for the binding both the 6* and SuperSpeed come with bindings and cannot use any other binding.
post #8 of 25
The Cross Pro is a true cross race ski (their are a few cross racers on the circuit doing well on it). The Laser Cross is still a lot of ski, just definitely more all mountain than the Pro. I love Stockli's, they don't make a watered down ski. I'm on their "all mountain" Spirit Pro II and even they rock. Another Stockli to consider is the Stormrider XL. It's a mid fat great in crud ski that behaves like a GS race ski on the hard. Be careful... it's a rocket ship with 2 sheets of titanal in it.
post #9 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by EasternSkiBum
The Cross Pro is a true cross race ski (their are a few cross racers on the circuit doing well on it). The Laser Cross is still a lot of ski, just definitely more all mountain than the Pro. I love Stockli's, they don't make a watered down ski. I'm on their "all mountain" Spirit Pro II and even they rock. Another Stockli to consider is the Stormrider XL. It's a mid fat great in crud ski that behaves like a GS race ski on the hard. Be careful... it's a rocket ship with 2 sheets of titanal in it.
That is what I have heard about the Stockli. They sound sweet, but as I said above I guess I need to decide if they are what I need as a non-race option in my quiver.
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by BootDude
Agreed but watch out inthe bumps they have quite a bit of metal in them and can bend, I would go 6*. As for the binding both the 6* and SuperSpeed come with bindings and cannot use any other binding.
In regard to the bindings, is there a difference between last year's 6* and this years? I have been trying to gather info and it seems like last years can take a 1400 comp, but this years cannot? Is that correct? This years take the AT PCOS only?
post #11 of 25
The 6**** is a versitile ski that will hold up to speed, or carve short turns. I was using a GPS the other day and clocked 49.8 MPH on firm conditions without resorting to a tuck or straight running, just long fast carved turns. The Supersports all use Marker AT or LT bindings mounted on integrated rails (aluminum rail on 6*). The AT is widely available in a 1400 series. Bindings are always included in the price for this ski. This year the binding assembly can include PCOS piston to dampen rebound. The Volkls are well known for holding an edge in firm or icy conditions, but have the versatility to bust crud or ski powder. There are better skis for powder, but I have had mine in hip-deep conditions with no problems (for pictures, see this thread posted 1/11).

The ski has a 68 mm waist and will work through moguls. Similar to powder, there are better dedicated mogul skis, but these can take what you throw at them, and they seem quite agile. For length, we are the same size. I ski 6* in a 168 and have never felt I would overpower the ski, and have found the length suitable at higher speeds. There are several other skis in this category (Atomic Metron B5) that are worth considering if you have time and access to demo. I don't have any experience on the Stockli to compare.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider
The 6**** is a versitile ski that will hold up to speed, or carve short turns. I was using a GPS the other day and clocked 49.8 MPH on firm conditions without resorting to a tuck or straight running, just long fast carved turns. The Supersports all use Marker AT or LT bindings mounted on integrated rails (aluminum rail on 6*). The AT is widely available in a 1400 series. Bindings are always included in the price for this ski. This year the binding assembly can include PCOS piston to dampen rebound. The Volkls are well known for holding an edge in firm or icy conditions, but have the versatility to bust crud or ski powder. There are better skis for powder, but I have had mine in hip-deep conditions with no problems (for pictures, see this thread posted 1/11).

The ski has a 68 mm waist and will work through moguls. Similar to powder, there are better dedicated mogul skis, but these can take what you throw at them, and they seem quite agile. For length, we are the same size. I ski 6* in a 168 and have never felt I would overpower the ski, and have found the length suitable at higher speeds. There are several other skis in this category (Atomic Metron B5) that are worth considering if you have time and access to demo. I don't have any experience on the Stockli to compare.
Thanks for the response, I just dropped you a PM
post #13 of 25
I demoed a bunch of skis earlier in the season and settled with the 6 star. I spend most of my time at Sugarloaf and they have been tremendous for the type of conditions we've had so far this year. Tried 'em in a little bit of fresh snow last week (5-6") and were fine. For hip deep or spring conditions, I'll go with the bigger boards but cirquerider's post is appreciated, Anyways, these are a great ski for the east coast. I'm 6', 175 lbs and ski the 168s.
post #14 of 25
If you're looking for something with near race ski performance, I'd go with the Superspeeds. By far the most impressed I've been with a pair of Volkl's since they came out with the Motion system a few years ago. Are they great in bumps? Probably not, but neither am I, and they got me down just fine, although the pair I tried was in need of a tune. Can't say how they would be in deep snow, but any crud I encountered was no match for them. I'm the same size as you, and the 175 was ideal as a do it all length for me, as I do spend a lot of time in bumps and trees when practical. If your main goal is to go as fast as you can, then you might want to go up a size, But for me the 175 was the way to go. There are probably more versatile all mountain skis out there, but the performance of these things is truly intoxicating.
post #15 of 25
I would agree with bsimeral, and ask you to further explain where and how you ski, as in what parts of the mountain - groomers, bumps, trees and what types of turns. It sounds like you've got a race ski for hard/fast conditions - do you really want a cross ski that will have most of the same characteristics as the race ski? Are you looking for something that will be a little less demading than the full blown race ski, but primarily used on groomers at high speeds, OR are you looking for something that will be good on the groomed, but a blast in powder, crud, bumps, & trees? I love to be off-trail, so I would recommend a solid mid-fat (waist 70 - 80) for me, but this is about you, so what exactly do you want to do with these skis?
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by tumbler
I would agree with bsimeral, and ask you to further explain where and how you ski, as in what parts of the mountain - groomers, bumps, trees and what types of turns. It sounds like you've got a race ski for hard/fast conditions - do you really want a cross ski that will have most of the same characteristics as the race ski? Are you looking for something that will be a little less demading than the full blown race ski, but primarily used on groomers at high speeds, OR are you looking for something that will be good on the groomed, but a blast in powder, crud, bumps, & trees? I love to be off-trail, so I would recommend a solid mid-fat (waist 70 - 80) for me, but this is about you, so what exactly do you want to do with these skis?
I want them to do everything, isn't that the point of an all mountain ski Seriously, I would love to find something that allows me to make some short turns with relative ease, handle reasonably well in crud and bumps but also not kill me if I am going at high speeds on groomers. Because I am on the East coast, the reality is that I spend more time doing GS turns on groomers. On days I intend to do only this, you are correct, I can just use my race skis.
post #17 of 25
from your description of your preferences - a "technical" midfat that is good on hardpack like the stockli stormrider xl sounds a good option. Don't be put off by the hype - it's fairly demanding but it's no monster!

j
post #18 of 25
Thread Starter 
Since I wanted to pick something up cheap, and they are easy to find, I went with the 6****** in 175. Thanks for all the replies guys, very informative!
post #19 of 25
6* cheap!? Wow, where'd ya find those?

For all mountain I would have also said go mid-fat. I'm your size and have the 6* in a 175cm. I use it for GS and cruising. It is a truly awesome and versatile race machine.

But, when I'm looking "around" the hill to have fun and do whatever comes to mind I'd prefer to be on my 177cm 724 Pro. They never cease to amaze me - I've even been successful racing on them. With a 19m radius they fall somewhere in between a full-on GS race ski and the more "in your face" 6*.
post #20 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Woodee
6* cheap!? Wow, where'd ya find those?

For all mountain I would have also said go mid-fat. I'm your size and have the 6* in a 175cm. I use it for GS and cruising. It is a truly awesome and versatile race machine.
I guess "cheap" was the wrong word I should have said "cheaper" and easier to find than the Superspeeds and Cross Pros.
post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by kestner9
I want them to do everything, isn't that the point of an all mountain ski Seriously, I would love to find something that allows me to make some short turns with relative ease, handle reasonably well in crud and bumps but also not kill me if I am going at high speeds on groomers. Because I am on the East coast, the reality is that I spend more time doing GS turns on groomers. On days I intend to do only this, you are correct, I can just use my race skis.
All Mountain is another of those marketing terms and means very little in the real world.

Any really good carving ski is going to be hard snow specific. There are some really good mid fats that carve well but not nearly as well as a race stock ski or a ski cross ski on hard snow. Of course, those skis do not ski well in deep snow conditions. That is why I have a hard snow, carving ski ( SX11M) for eastern conditions and a mid fat (Dynastar Legend 8000) for the west. The Volkl 5 * is good in both but like all "all mountain skis" is a compromise in both.

The Volkl Superspeed is a short Super G ski and is great for ripping on the frontside....end of story.

Bumps....that is yet another story.

Pick your primary condition and get the ski to match. Otherwise, get skis that handle a variety of conditions but don't handle any of them exceptionally well.
post #22 of 25
i am of the opinion that kestner made the right decision to get the 6* and not the superspeed. he wants a ski that is more versatile than a race ski. the 6* is far more versatile than the superspeed. now, i like the superspeed more...but that's not what he was looking for.

by the way - the Motion AT Racing binding is a Comp 1400 for the new Motion set-up.
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by unionbowler
i am of the opinion that kestner made the right decision to get the 6* and not the superspeed. he wants a ski that is more versatile than a race ski. the 6* is far more versatile than the superspeed. now, i like the superspeed more...but that's not what he was looking for.

by the way - the Motion AT Racing binding is a Comp 1400 for the new Motion set-up.
Agree.

The Supersport is a front side ripper with little versatility. The 6* will rip but allow you to make more turn shapes and not be so unidimensional. I like the 6* but chose the Atomic SX11M for myself...both are good hard snow skis.
post #24 of 25
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I will post next week and let you guys know how the 6* worked out, and if it was in fact the right choice. Again, thanks for all the feedback!
post #25 of 25
I hope you're as happy w/the 6's as I am. I demo'd the Superspeeds as I too love ripping GS's on Eastern snow. But I decided on the 6's as I wanted a bit more versatility and did not feel too much of a dropoff in long turn performance. The Superspeeds were more stable in a tuck but they did take more effort to bring around in a short radius turn and were definitely not as good in the bumps.

Enjoy!
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