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ideas on a new cross ski

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Ive had a similar post like this before but Im going to be a little broader this time so I can get more ideas... Ive had a pair of Dynastar speed 63s for about 3 years. They are downhill skis and are pretty much really fast cruisers. Now Im looking for something more versatile, that doesnt require so much speed to start turning and that can make some tighter turns also. Im trying to get on some more challenging blacks and moguls and the dynastars just arent the ski for that kind of terrain. Ive been told I should look for any good cross ski, and was just wondering whats out there that I should look at. Im hoping whatever I get can still be pretty fast, but it depends on what I find. So far Ive heard of the Fischer rx8 and the Elan fusion s12. What else is out there? thanks!
post #2 of 20
Elan S-8, or 555. Don't bother with the S-12.

IMO, the 63 and the S-12 are not all that different.
post #3 of 20
I wouldn't reccomend the s-8's for anyone with any weight or significant skiing power, I would probably suggest the S-10, that's what i'm skiing on right now and its great in just about everything.
post #4 of 20
The Dynastar Ski Cross 09 is available in last year's graphics (same ski) all over the net for pretty cheap. I picked up a pair for my 16 y.o. and he's loving them. I was thinking of getting some SC 10's for myself (200 lbs.), but after skiing on his 09's, I believe the 09's have plenty of "pop" for my uses (prefer the more technical stuff - steeps, bumps, as opposed to groomers).

I'm currently on an old, thrashed pair of Speed SX's, and the SC 09 was much more fun.

Good luck,

post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
What about the volkl 5 star! Im all excited cause I think this is exactly what Ive been looking for. What do ya think?
post #6 of 20
Just move the bindings on the 63 forwards one cm or so. Maybe even two. Go for ball of foot at center of running surface. You'll be amazed at how different (ie. better) they ski. And that will cost you very very little -- you probably can do that yourself.

I tried to sell my carve 63's and got no offers, so I consider them perfect for this sort of experimentation. I promise you, they will feel like a new ski, and ski way better.
post #7 of 20
alot of the "cross" skis are designed to be left on the snow, put on edge, and left to do the rest of the work. as such, they tend to have more GS ski characteristics than SL/short turn characteristics. they ski fast, plow through almost any snow, and feel "heavy" (even if they are not).

on the other hand, a ski like the 5* is more in the direction of short turns, explosive power that is usable in all conditions, fun in bumps and powder, too. i highly recommend you demo a 5*. i think it will be a great ski with a very different ride in comparison with your Speed 63.

good call!
post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 
BigE: Do you know how to move the bindings forward? Id like to try that myself but have no idea how... The bindings are Rossignol axial 100's and are on lifter plates.

Union: Thanks for the info! That ski sounds awesome and Ill demo them any chance I get... One of the next couple of weekends Im going to holiday valley, so Ill look to see if they have them there. I remember them having demo huts on the the bottom of some runs with some pretty nice skis. Thanks!
post #9 of 20
Originally Posted by mhk87
Union: Thanks for the info! That ski sounds awesome and Ill demo them any chance I get... One of the next couple of weekends Im going to holiday valley, so Ill look to see if they have them there. I remember them having demo huts on the the bottom of some runs with some pretty nice skis. Thanks!
Don't count on the demo trucks to be there all the time. Dekdebrun Ski & Sport shop in town (Ellicottville) is a Volkl dealer, and he should have the 5* for you to demo. Best if you call in advance to reseerve a pair when you sho up.
post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the suggestion! I emailed them. If it only costs $22 to demo them for a full weekend day, thats cheap!
post #11 of 20
Youe carve 63 titanal plate should be pre-drilled, but may not be. If not, I'd go to the shop and have them move the binding for you. Actually, I'd have them do it anyway. I don't recommend fooling with the bindings if you are not familiar with their set-up.

Mine is pre-drilled, so I could just move the toe to another set of holes further forwards.... Of course if your toepiece is in the tipmost set of holes, I would not do it myself....

Hopefully, you won't have to rescrew the heel itself. First check to see how far forwards you can move the heel without rescrewing it, before moving the toepiece. I think on the Rossi, that adjustment is controlled by the big monster screw that is parallel to the ski...loosen and reposition.

Perhaps a binding expert could chime in here to help identify the markings/screws that he needs to see for him to know he's got the heel piece in the right position? It is important to get this right, otherwise pre-release or no-release can happen.

On second thought, just take them to the shop.
post #12 of 20
Thread Starter 
Yep I think I will... What do you think it'd cost to have them adjust for me?
post #13 of 20
Up here, it's about a $25 charge.

Believe me, the difference you will feel is astounding. Even just moving them 1 cm forwards is a huge difference. Mine are 1 CM forwards, and I have a 332 bootsole.

Happy experimenting!
post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks, I think Ill give that a try.
post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 
Joseph... I emailed Dekdebrun ski shop about a week ago and still havent heard from them. Are there any other shops aorund there?
post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 
I demoed the 5 stars last weekend on the trip. They were AWESOME! Seriously, I felt like I've been skiing them all season on my first run. I spent some time with a group that was hanging around intermediate runs a lot... Normally this is no fun, because I literally couldnt ski my dynastars until I was flying, and intermediate runs only allowed a few big turns. These volkls carved beautifully and were a lot of fun even on those types of slopes. They did well at speed, though obviously a lot more twitchy than the dynastars which were designed for that kind of stuff. The first trip down a really steep run, I leaned really hard into a turn and my inside ski just kind of flew out when i went to transition into the next turn. There good in the moguls, fairly light compared to my other pair, and really good on the ice. Some of the runs were pure ice and they just locked in and carved no problem with a little bit of speed. The only thing about them that might be a drawback would be that they are more touchy at high speed, but thats just how it is for a softer, tighter turning ski and I like the extra challenge... This looks like the perfect pair. Thanks for the help!
post #17 of 20
legend 4800?
post #18 of 20
The Blizzard X Cross absolutely RIPS (IMO).
post #19 of 20
I've tried this year the Völkl superspeed, Salomon Crossmax Ten and Dynastar skicross ten.
I' ve found the Völkl the fastest and safest at high speed. they just run trough every thing. But thay are very challenging and physical also. You've got to push them all the time or they throw you out of the curve. Great to make progress, great blast on hardpacked snow. but tiring and not versatile enough. They don't like tight turns, they dont like to cruise, they don't like the deep... and they're heavy ! (oh, and they look cool...)

The salomon are the easiest of the three, good at everything, excellent in nothing. But still safe at speed, what skicross are made for, less solid than the Völkl that's all. maybe a good choice for an intermediate skier that don't plan to go off-piste (otherwise he should go for a Bandit or a similar ski).

The Dynastar are in between. and probably the best compromise (for me anyway). Really competent for those sunny days when you want sheer speed and thrill, forgiving when your legs are burning, or in a moguls field during a white day.

Hope that helps.
post #20 of 20
I just recently compared the following 2004-2005 skis on ultra-hardpacked eastern-type conditions (no noisy boilerplate...just squeeky-clean, ultra-fine grained re-groomed, re-groomed, weeks-of-cold weather PERFECT edge-tracking surface in wide-open, smooth terrain). All skis had demo bindings.

My stats:
185lbs. 5' 11" tall 45 year old Masters-racer/coaching type skier...craving clean arcs on groomed surfaces under pressure at speed.

Atomic SX-11 SuperCross
170cm (105-65-95 16m radius)

Stoeckli Laser Cross 170cm (not the Pro)
(111-67-93 17m radius)

Head iXRC 100 Chip SR2 "X-Frame" titanium jacket 170cm and 177cm
(116-68-100 15.6m radius@177cm)

The Atomic SX-11 was indeed the muscle-car race-bred board with a rowdy kick in the tail at the end of the turns when prompted to "go". Excellent grip and quick. Tiring if you don't watch your touch, and definitely not happy in the crud off the groomers. Superb high-grip powerhouse not bothered by anything. Quick quick quick when driven hard...the more you put into it, the more it performs...no wonder they own skiercross titles...definitely a railing thoroughbred. Damp, but with that "high-tension carbon-wood-foamy" typical Atomic feel underfoot...lots of energy...don't get in the back seat! Could vary the turn radius quickly with the proper input. The ski seems to have a front-half and a back-half...the front is used to feed into the turns, then the tail is used for hookup and musclular acceleration. Wicked fun and endless power. Kinda ugly-but-cool-and-rowdy power graphics.

The Stoekli LaserCross was a different feel, typical germanic-euro wood-metal-fiberglass dampness and response underfoot. A very strong, very smooooooth carving tool. Somewhat more reluctant to start the carve than the other skis...took more effort to get it "on-line", but once hooked-up, produces a wonderfully smooth, perfect arc unfettered by changes in the surface conditions. No kick or rowdy tail acceleration, just smooth power for as long as you want to pressure it. Feels like a fine european automobile when carving hard...never distracting or surprising...fairly versatile, able to make quick turns with the proper input. Happier off-piste than the Atomic Supercross...not as single-minded (the "Pro" version may be more like the SX-11...I didn't ski it). Beautiful, high-quality ride, but unexciting. Very nice. Nice, clean, sophisticated graphic design colors. Very nice workmanship.

The Head i.XRC 1100 Chip SuperRailFlex 2 in 177cm was next. I immediately noticed these things RAILED. The instant I rolled an ankle in, the ski immediately went into slot-car mode on edge and wanted to follow its radius like it was being pulled on a string. It immediately wanted me to put more pressure on my uphill ski to create a matched pair of edge grips on the surface, then begged me to roll them both over, drag my hips on the inside, change direction and create a locked-down, slingshot, "slot-car" feel (it's the best description I can think of). Smooth and unfettered arcs across any surface irregularities. Really addictive edge grip and carving behavior. Endless, powerful pressure and kick in the tails if you wanted it, but it seemed to come from the whole ski instead of the tail like the Atomic SuperCross. The faster you rolled both skis from edge to edge, the faster they would change direction...short radius...long radius...it didn't matter. They wanted to be hooked-up and "on-radius" at all times. Not happy with any type of skidding turn...but handled off-piste crud very nicely without wanting constant muscle power to change direction. The 177cm was a high-speed cruising machine...beautiful. Not happy in short turns unless you really flexed it hard on-edge or had crud to float in. I switched to the 170cm version for a quick experiment. The 170cm had the same rail-to-rail slot-car feel, but would allow even tighter radius turns on edge. Still not happy with a sliding turn, but quick, quick, quick. You basically keep your hips in one place and your feet move from full-extension left to full-extention right on rails...fascinating. These skis reset my opinion on what a "carving ski" really does. Graphics are non-descript with basic lettering on black background...not fancy...not boring...no comment...
I like the comment "This is a ski for those who wish to tear through groomed terrain, just to get on the lift to look back and see the tracks that you just left." from http://www.huckzone.com/equipmentreviews.php.
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