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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
For an update in my life...
Left school a semester early to work for the US Army Environmental Research labs,I can finish my 1 credit of community service (yes, i had to pay $790 tuition to volunteer somewhere for 40 hours... ) anywhere I want and then I'll be done my degree in may.
Army didn't get approved for the funding after I had already moved home, moving back to school is an expensive and somewhat silly alternative.

Big Option 1
I've been Interested in a Job with Noble Fiber, makers of eXstatic fabric... used often in base layers, climbing shoes etc. They seem interested but details haven't been worked out yet, I hope its enough to relocate from Nh to Scranton Pa in the money department.

Questions here:
What the heck is Scranton Like?
Is there any somewhat quality skiing in the the Scranton Area?

Kinda cool, but not nearly as big option 2, which is where i really need advice.
Carmichael training systems (lance armstrong's coach) offered me a resident coaching position, which is the lowest of the low but I'm a smart kid who's good at what he does so I ought to be able to move up in the world.This would be a 6 month position with the option of re-signing on fulltime if they like me. www.trainright.com

Working for Chris Carmichael =
learning some good stuff=
living in Colorado Springs=
starting at $900/month(possible go up $100/month until $1,200)


IF the position with Noble fiber doesn't work out... should I even consider this second option or stay at home and try to find something, anything that makes better money.
I would Love, it would be a dream to move to the Rockies, but i have loans and living and funding skiing to think about!

Is colorado springs worth it... could i survive with such little income.?
Do i throw caution to the wind or not screw myself in the long run.


Sincerely,
"I wish the army hadn't pulled funding after i moved home in the first place"
post #2 of 19
I'm not to sure how much Wisdom i have but here is something to think about.
You may want to take a closer look a Colorado Springs. As I recall becuse of the Air Force Acadamy and being Close to NORAD Colorado Springs has a lot of Military related Tech Industry. 6 mos would give you some time to look around the area and see if living in the Rockies is right for you.
post #3 of 19
RJP,

I'm in agreement with Utah49. I go to COS on business once in a while. Not only are there a couple of AF bases and the AFA, but also a number of defense contractors (I work for one of them), who can offer good employment.

I live in the DC 'burbs, and I can tell you that it definitely is cheaper to live in COS than in the east. Yeah, you'll still need to probably get a second job to support yourself, but you are young and single. Also, COS is somewhat of a college town, so you could have fun there. But make no mistake, it is not IN the Rockies. It's about a 2 hour drive to Breck, but you can go in the back way (Route 9) as opposed to I-70. COS has amazing bike riding there (road and mtn).

The job with Chris Carmichael sounds a lot more interesting. If you have the ability and can impress them, you could make a name for yourself. I don't know that the job is that you are looking for at Noble Fiber, but you are probably less likely to get real exposure to top atheletes and be able to make a direct contribution to their success in that world.

I like COS a lot, and there seems to be a good opportunity there. I'd probably be more tempted to make that my first choice.

You can always enter the corporate world. But a chance like getting in with an outfit like CTS is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. If you don't like it, you can always leave and get a corporate job.

Good luck with whatever you choose.
post #4 of 19
Unless the job in PA is a dream job, I would do the Carmichael thing. Consider it a type of grad school or an internship. I think it would look good on your resume, so even if you still have to be poor for another few months, in the long run it might be a good move. Would it be possible for you to get a part-time second job (wait tables, tend bar, etc) to make some extra $$?

It's a good time to experiment with living somewhere different, as well. After I graduated from college (in Colo), I was going to hang around in the Rockies but instead moved back east (with no job, but I did have a living arrangement). I got a job and ended up staying 10 years, but eventually did move back here. I loved being east while I was there, but I was glad to come back to raise my family.
post #5 of 19
Go West Young Man...

lord knows I wish I had.
You can always get a second Job bartending, or teachiing skiing, or something to supplement the 900/mo. but you cant jet out to yhr rockies from PA every powder day...
post #6 of 19
I know one thing for sure: the older you get, the more difficult it becomes to uproot yourself to take a low paying dream job. Do it now while you still can; don't spend the rest of your life wondering how awesome it might have been. If you love it, great. If you hate it, well, it's only 6 months. And don't forget, you can always defer your school loans.
post #7 of 19
I agree with Sue - if you want to do it, do it NOW.

I am working on my "dream" --- I am 4 months from my M.D., but I am doing it in middle age, post-divorce, with 3 kids at home.:

Take it from me.... you CAN defer dreams and still seek them, but it is a HELL of a lot easier to follow them while you are footloose and fancy free. You can live in a studio apt or shack up with buddies if you are young and single - can't do that with a spouse or kids in tow. You can live on Ramen for months if you need to, but child protective services would have a word with you if you did that later on.

Don't wait for your mid-life crisis to decide to pursue a dream:

If you want it...... DO IT
post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 
I think it needs to be said that the coaching with CTS (carmichael training systems) is in fact a fall back as an alternative to living at home in NH.

I want to design clothing/outerwear from a physiological standpoint. how can we use clothing to alter/control our physiology to ellicit better performance. Russian scientists have a noted a decreased blood lactate when athlete wore wool vs. polypro. yada yada yada.

While Noble fiber in Pa is not a dream job...its an oppurtunity to begin in a field that i want to be a part of. Its not exactly a chocie b/t the two. I'd choose Noble over CTS if the $ was okay to move to pa. CTS is there in case i don't get noble or anything else...an oppurtunity to leave home and move west. I'm just afraid of not earning $$$ for loan payments, ski tuning, tickets... you know the essentials (who needs food??) and ending up with no money...or worse, bad credit that affects me further along in life.

BUT I do appreciate your input, which is why I asked. I want/would love to move, I just want to be reasonably sure its a decent move to make...if needed.
post #9 of 19
I hope you get the job. Scranton is very close to Elk mountain, a nice 1000vert hill. You can have some fun there. They get their powder days, but not often. You should work for CTS if the fibers deal doesn't come through. Pretty cool back up plan.
post #10 of 19
Don't sell CTS short for getting you the job at a Noble Fiber or who ever. That type of experience close to the athlete is hard to come by and may be of value to you when trying to sell yourself to athletic wear firms. Who would know better what an athlete needs and wants.

Be creative? Will Noble give you the job, let you work for CTS, supplement your income and let you come back east to work?? Don;t know if you don't ask.

If I had a written promise of one or two years of continued employment from a possible new employee, I would give them the opportunity to get the experience.

Ed
post #11 of 19
Sorry to say, but Scranton is a god forsaken place, IMO. What is Option 3?
post #12 of 19
Scranton is a town that has been changed by shifts in the economy and exists in a haze of poverty, punctuated by the scarred earth and coal slag heaps that mar each hilltop vista.

It has the filthiest MacDonalds that I have ever witnessed and the "ski motels" ..... national franchised ones are run with a percentage of "welfare clients. The two that I blundered into "just minutes from the mountain" (Montage), had battering ram marks on the doors, old mattresses stored under stairwells, and even blood spattered on the walls. Last year I stayed on the "other side of the highway" at three times the cost and watched the local TV station's coverage of the police surronding the place we stayed in the prior season.

Montage is not a bad hill, currently up for sale or sold, that has the worlds slowest lifts. Minute and a half to blast the black ..... then a twenty minute ride (no line), for the return trip back up.

Stay to the North side of Scranton and you have Elk. One of my favorite in the NE ..... "endless hills" ..... NOT the Poconos .... don't insult em' up there.
Quieter place because all of the city types don't have the will, and scumb to the "immediate gratification" urge and jump off the highway at Shawnee, Camelback or Blue. Nice people, I'd be teaching there if it wasn't for the ride and my son's race program.
post #13 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by RJP
I think it needs to be said that the coaching with CTS (carmichael training systems) is in fact a fall back as an alternative to living at home in NH.

I want to design clothing/outerwear from a physiological standpoint. how can we use clothing to alter/control our physiology to ellicit better performance. Russian scientists have a noted a decreased blood lactate when athlete wore wool vs. polypro. yada yada yada.
I'm not sure where working for the top fitness trainer in the world who is likely attracting top athletes means you can't learn a thing or two about what you need to design or more importantly who to design it for.

Strikes me as a once in a lifetime chance and it will perk up any resume whether for outerwear design or at the coaching end. You'll potentially learn a lot and the connections could get you further, faster than you dreamed. OTOH is could suck and you eat kraft dinner for 6 months and go back to plan A.
post #14 of 19
Go to the Rockies, soak up whatever you can from CTS to take to Noble Fiber. It's called Experience. If they will hold the NF position for you, it can only benefit them.

Good advice from everyone. Personally, I would not want to choose to live in SCRANTON with such a huge world to explore. You have what I don't, though. You have time.:
post #15 of 19
One of the really big areas that the military is looking into is clothing for our troops. ski wear and or mountainering gear is working it's way into the the Army. One of the largest clothing contacts is now for polar fleece by the US military. They do a lot of cold weather R and D in places like Colorado.Also the Sierras. There is so much to be done to produce good quality clothing that is light wieght durable and comfortable. have you thought of making applications to companies like North Face, Columbia, Marrot? The owners of molden mills (Polar fleece) also does a lot of R and D so does Goretex.
post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
I although malden mills didn't have any openings i sent my resume etc. but haven't tried to contact someone specifically. (they're not too too far from me)

I have thought about Marmot and cloudveil, because of my respect for their products... but I haven't yet applied to either.
Its been hectic around here... I'm actually back at school for what was supposed to be 4 days of wrapping up research... its turned into a week and a half of 14 hour days. I already had the ball rolling with noble fiber when i committed to the Army Environmental Research Position, when that didn't come through it was an easy phone call to someone at noble i had spoken with before (a co-pres. actually)

I think my reluctance to apply to major places is my lack of experience with textile engineering. Grad schools i've been looking at have a textiles department that i could use to supplement my degree in ex phys. with the experience/knowledge of fibers i feel i could market myself better.

Because the army and their nice salary didnt pull through I am running seriously low on $$$, its time for a job! (abercrombie just doesn't pay enough )
post #17 of 19
Wisdom is the domain of the wiz.... F. Zappa
seriously... unless you are in debt to your frickin eyeballs, go with what feels right, all money is, is a means to an end.... money.... you can ALWAYS make more.
post #18 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by L7
I'm not sure where working for the top fitness trainer in the world who is likely attracting top athletes means you can't learn a thing or two about what you need to design or more importantly who to design it for.

Strikes me as a once in a lifetime chance and it will perk up any resume whether for outerwear design or at the coaching end. You'll potentially learn a lot and the connections could get you further, faster than you dreamed. OTOH is could suck and you eat kraft dinner for 6 months and go back to plan A.
I'm with L7...... it could be really useful down the track for your aims..... if it sucks you can still do number 1 option after 6 months..... if they have not tied down number 1 yet then it could take them months to do so... in the meantime you are getting plenty good experience that adds to resume....
post #19 of 19
Do what you love and the money will follow :
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