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Sorry Springhill Crazie!

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Sorry your team lost it's bid for the Superbowl.

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Hey I have respect for what the the Steelers have done. Good Job. I sincerely mean this but Steeler fans you must realize that you ran into one of the greatest teams ever assembled. It's been fun yappin with you guys.

Go Patriots!!
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Hey, the Patriots made the plays and the Steelers didn't. The best team won. New England must be supernatural. My football season is over. I'm just a Steelers fan. I don't bet so, good luck to the winners. I never watch a game that doesn't involve the Steelers and Philly might as well be in Jersey as far as I'm concern.

Patriots fans, enjoy the ride. One thing I know from being a Steelers fan all of my 50 years is that all rides end, some just last a little longer.

The road to the Super bowl as gone through Pittsburgh for 5 of the last 11 years. Pittsburgh has only gone there once in that time and lost but you know what, there aren't many teams that ride a season that long and if that makes the Steelers losers well, I'll lose with that success anytime.

Have fun, beat the Eagles and I'll call the Pats a Dynasty Franchise but I doubt that half of this roster was on the Pats first Super Bowl team. Keep this team together for a decade and win 4 in 6 years then I'll concede that they rank up there with the best team ever: the Steelers of the '70s.
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I'll even call Boston the City of Champions.
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Originally Posted by Springhill Crazie
I'll even call Boston the City of Champions.
In mourning :
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The Pats showed up, the Steelers did not.
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider
In mourning :
Naaa, nobody died, it's just a game and now Super Bowl Sunday is freed up to ski.
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Actually, Springhill Crazie, as a veteran football fan/watcher, I think what New England has accomplished, should they win the Super Bowl, is even more remarkable than the 1970's Steelers. With no salary cap, and no free-agency, the Steelers were able to keep essentially the same roster together for their entire run, and were even able to strengthen through the draft. The teams of today have to often part with quality veteran players due to salary cap concerns (eg Lawyer Milloy, Damien Woody, etc from the Pats). Had the Steelers played in todays NFL after the first Super Bowl or two their roster would have been poached by other teams. New England has been smart in that they have avoided overpaying their players who have been eligible to test the free agent waters, and when they have lost players they have found capable replacements. Your statement "Keep this team together for a decade..." is ridiculous because had they done that in todays NFL they wouldn't be in this position because they'd be in salary cap hell. The "dynasty" teams have found a way to be the best within the current framework. The Steelers were the team of the 70's, San Fran the team of the 80's, Dallas the team of the 90's; NE is the team of the 00's.

As an aside, as a Jaguars season ticket holder, I was able to get tickets to the game.
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Originally Posted by ldrjax
Actually, Springhill Crazie, as a veteran football fan/watcher, I think what New England has accomplished, should they win the Super Bowl, is even more remarkable than the 1970's Steelers. With no salary cap, and no free-agency, the Steelers were able to keep essentially the same roster together for their entire run, and were even able to strengthen through the draft. The teams of today have to often part with quality veteran players due to salary cap concerns (eg Lawyer Milloy, Damien Woody, etc from the Pats). Had the Steelers played in todays NFL after the first Super Bowl or two their roster would have been poached by other teams. New England has been smart in that they have avoided overpaying their players who have been eligible to test the free agent waters, and when they have lost players they have found capable replacements. Your statement "Keep this team together for a decade..." is ridiculous because had they done that in todays NFL they wouldn't be in this position because they'd be in salary cap hell. The "dynasty" teams have found a way to be the best within the current framework. The Steelers were the team of the 70's, San Fran the team of the 80's, Dallas the team of the 90's; NE is the team of the 00's.

As an aside, as a Jaguars season ticket holder, I was able to get tickets to the game.
My points exactly. PA Ridge Racer called this one of the greatest ever assembled. The Patriots are a great team, no doubt but hardly the greatest team ever assembled, that's why I referred to New England as a Franchise Dynasty.

In today's era what makes a winning franchise is not solely the collection of players but rather how ownership manages the salary cap and targets talent to keep. Kraft has been great at that but I'll take the Rooneys at this point. Decade in and decade out the Steelers are more often competitive then not, five AFC championships at home in the last eleven years proves my point. Granted, the Steelers have only gone to the Super Bowl once in that time but let me ask you, where was Jacksonville and how many Championship games have they hosted?

The greatest TEAM ever is the Steelers of the '70s. Free agency and the salary cap will go along way to preserve that distinction.
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SpringHill, you correctly call NE a "Franchise Dynasty". As far as the Jaguars, in their mere 10 years of existence they've been to the AFC championship game two times, hosting it once. The Jaguars first home win in their expansion season, incidentally, came against the Pittsburgh Steelers, in the only season since that great run in the 70's that the Steelers have gone to the Super Bowl. As a Steelers fan you surely know that the Steelers were miserable for years prior to assembling the great team of the 70's. But, of course in those days the same rules that allowed teams to build dynasties also dictated that teams took years to build. The Steelers were great in the 70's, and they may be great again in the future, but I don't think one Super Bowl appearance (a loss) in the last 25 years is something the Rooneys are proud of.
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Yes, I remember the Jags and their phenominal success as an expansion team. They had a lot on the line when they met the Steelers this year. Sorry to stop your ride early.

Only getting to the Super Bowl once in that last 25 years is certainly a sore spot but if you don't think that the Rooneys are proud of their team, the players and their record then you don't know the Rooneys the way Pittsburgh does.
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Originally Posted by PA Ridge Racer
Hey I have respect for what the the Steelers have done. Good Job. I sincerely mean this but Steeler fans you must realize that you ran into one of the greatest teams ever assembled. It's been fun yappin with you guys.

Go Patriots!!
Man I cannot wait until the Eagles play the Patriots. I hope every Pats fan is overconfident and thinks nothing of the Eagles. It will make it all more sweeter if the Eagles win.
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To an earlier point, no one died, and my first child (a boy) will be born in April. I have a feeling that this loss will not mean much then! BTW the wife, who does not ski, has already purchased him his first "Ski Patrol" outfit.
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SpringHill - I certainly did not intend to demean what the Steelers have accomplished as a franchise. They have built a loyal fan base, and made every attempt to put a worthy product on the field for the fans. The Rooneys have certainly run the franchise with class and dignity. I admire their loyalty to Bill Cowher even though I question whether he can get it done (see his playoff record). I also admire what Bob Kraft and Bill Belichek have done in New England. They have fielded a winning team that is largely devoid of repulsive on-field antics (ala Randy Moss, et al) and off-field arrests. I love the team-first attitude of their players.

That being said, you cannot compare teams of different eras. Would Joe DiMaggio have hit in 56 straight games if he had to face relief specialists? How many touchdowns would Johnny Unitas throw for with todays liberal passing rules. The game changes, and so does the barometer by which success is measured. Teams are successful within the confines of structure of the league. Eventually the other teams will conspire to change the rules to knock the king off the hill. After last years AFC championship game Bill Polian, Peyton Manning's GM and member of the NFL Competition Committee got rules changes allowing wide receivers more freedom. This was widely seen as a "let's get Peyton to the Super Bowl soon" move. With his team facing salary cap purgatory in the next year or two it may be too late. The Steelers were the team of the 1970's, the Niners the team of 1980's, and the Cowboys the team of the 1990's. Eventually the league found a way to bring them back to the pack. The Patriots are the team of the 2000's, so far. The league will do the same to them.

As for the Jaguars, they had a great first five years; two AFC Central titles, two wild cards, two trips to the AFC championship game, including one at home. Then they got sloppy with the salary cap and two years of rebuilding turned into four. They went 9-7 this year and narrowly missed the playoffs. But they have a lot of good young players and their salary cap situation is so good that they've accelerated future bonuses into this years, giving them lots of cap space to work with in the next few years. The future is bright. But the way the league is set up everyone should get a turn, you've just got to take advantage when your turn comes around. That means going to the Super Bowl. They had two chances in their last peak cylce, but were unable to convert either AFC championship game appearance into a Super Bowl appearance.
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ldrjax, I don't disagree with anything you said but you miss my point that, it is because of salary cap and free agency that the Steelers of the '70s will long be regarded by those knowledgeable of the game and history as the greatest team ever, that is to say the talent that began the playoff and Super Bowl run in the early 70's and culminated in their 4th Super Bowl title in 1980 was largely the same group of players especially when the Steelers won their 1st Super Bowl, same team, same group of players not just the same franchise.

I don't mean too disrespect what Dallas, SF, Oakland, Miami, Washington, Green Bay and NE have done. These were all great teams in their day and the Pats are the team to beat today.

Belichick is a great coach but Cowher owned him when he was coach of Cleveland. Brady is perhaps the best big game quarterback ever but it seems to me that Bledsoe beat the Steelers in the 2001 Championship game. Bradshaw, Aikmen and Montana may have a different view too.

The Steelers of the '70's are the greatest TEAM ever not just of a decade. I didn't say that, most pro football experts proclaimed what Pittsburgh fans who are old enough to have watched that team knew, greatest team ever.

Again, my statements were all started by Ridge Racer's assertion that this Pats team is one of the greatest ever. They are a great team to this point, they are a great franchise to this point. Win back to back and then do it again, field a team that's competitive over 3 decades and half way into a 4th and then I'll concede that NE is one of the greatest franchise ever. You are right, that may be impossible but the Cowboys of the 90s did it under current salary cap rules. Steelers: 5 AFC Championship games in 11 years, the Rooneys have done it sans the big prize and once again if that makes the Steelers losers well I'll lose with that kind of success anytime.

That's all I'm going to say, Hines Ward needs a tissue so I got to go.
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Originally Posted by SpringsRegular
The Pats showed up, the Steelers did not.
You should have come to the Goggle and attended my 12 oz clinic :
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Originally Posted by SpringsRegular
To an earlier point, no one died, and my first child (a boy) will be born in April. I have a feeling that this loss will not mean much then! BTW the wife, who does not ski, has already purchased him his first "Ski Patrol" outfit.
Congratulations!! When do you foresee him taking his first runs at the 7 Springs?

Blizzboy. I am certainly not thinking this is a cake walk for the Patriots. But you can rest assured that the Patriots will not take the Eagles lightly in 2 weeks. There is no way. The Patriots did it one time against Miami. Thankfully that didn't come back to bite us in the arse.
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