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Skis for larger guys ?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Another ski question. I was planning to demo a couple of pairs at a demo day that was being held by a local shop. However, the lack of snow has forced them to cancel the demo day for the second time.

I'm looking for a new pair of skis for the following:

  • I am 6'4" in height
  • I weigh 240 Lbs (110 kg+)
  • Level 6, pushing into 7
  • Can ski agressively, although like rambling runs too
  • Not big on near vertical stuff or chutes or other parachute requiring like events
  • Live in the PNW, and (under normal conditions) can hit 6-8" of heavy powder (think, Mt. Baker), once or twice per year in real powder (CO or UT). But lots of PNY groomers
  • Want to improve my bump and deeper snow skiing
  • Speed is fun, but not my heavy addiction.
So, I'm looking at the Apache Recons, B2s, B1s, Volkl 724 Pros, Legend 8000s, Head Master IM-75, Atomic Metron M10.

This list I've narrowed down to the Legend 8000s and the B2s.

I've ditched the K2 Recons as too floppy; ditto the B1s (narrow), Volkls as too stiff, Heads as too weird (pietzo electric gadgets), and the Atomics as on the stiff side.

Any bigger guys have any comparison experience on these two models?

Thanks,
David
post #2 of 18
Hi, I'm 6'3 215 and recently demo'd many skis including the recon and 724 Pros. I ski mainly in Michigan on whatever terrain is available. I'm an upper intermediate and I definately agree that the recons are floppy, but I found the 724 Pros to be excellent in all conditions. I chose a different type of ski (elan s-10) but nearly went with the Pro's. I definatley suggest you demo them if you haven't, sorry I couldn't help more with the other skis.
post #3 of 18
Try and find a pair of Atomic R11's from the last couple years , there seems to be a few pair around . I would look at 180cm and nothing shorter with your weight , I'm about 225 to 230 lbs myself and ski the R11 in a 190cm.
post #4 of 18
How do you guys find the Recon "floppy"? I ski the XP currently, and the Recon is supposed to be the same ski in new colors. I ski on Michigan "hardpack". I ain't any 6-foot something, but my 220 lbs can bend a ski pretty well. I think the XP is fairly stable for a ski that does so well plowing through crud.
post #5 of 18
The two choices that you've narrowed it down to are the ones that you should have eliminated first. Big guys and foam cores are not a good combination for a long and happy relationship.
post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Mac
The two choices that you've narrowed it down to are the ones that you should have eliminated first. Big guys and foam cores are not a good combination for a long and happy relationship.
the legend is a wood core I thought? The bandit is foam, and your point is a good one actually. From what I'm hearing, I might shift back to the 724 Pros or the L8000s.

thanks to everyone for the comments!
David
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by tetsuma
the legend is a wood core I thought?
The 8000 has a wood core and is plenty stiff for me at 6'4" 250.
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Coach13
The 8000 has a wood core and is plenty stiff for me at 6'4" 250.
Coach,

You've got my height and weight down to a tee. So, you're happy with the 8000? Do you find your get enough float out of it when skiing crud? iI'm new to the PNW, and skiing this one foot of crud is proving my 172s are too short. can't get enough speed without them getting the shakes, and without the speed I miss the lift.

Finding a good ski for big guys is a pain, so any info you got would be welcome and appreciated.
Thanks
D
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by tetsuma
Coach,

You've got my height and weight down to a tee. So, you're happy with the 8000? Do you find your get enough float out of it when skiing crud? iI'm new to the PNW, and skiing this one foot of crud is proving my 172s are too short. can't get enough speed without them getting the shakes, and without the speed I miss the lift.

Finding a good ski for big guys is a pain, so any info you got would be welcome and appreciated.
Thanks
D
I ski the 8000 in a 184cm and I've been very happy with the 8000's in all conditions. It provides plenty of float in soft snow and is great on hardpack for a ski of this size. It has done fine in the crud I've experienced, but it's crud busting experience is not it's best feature as it can get knocked around a little when it's real nasty.

If I was buying a ski with crud in mind, coupled with hard snow performance, it would probably be last years Atomic R EX with it's 84mm waist. It's not as quick and lively as the 8000, but is a real bulldozer in crud and performs well on hardpack too. It's definitely a stiff and stable ski which would certainly handle your weight without any issues. If you can find a pair they are usually a pretty good buy since they've been discontinued. They'll take any binding since they are sold flat. They've been replaced by the M EX, which I haven't been on so I can't really comment on their (M EX) performance.

I hope this helps some. Overall, I like the 8000 the best, but it's not as good a crud ski as the R EX.
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by tetsuma
So, you're happy with the 8000? Do you find your get enough float out of it when skiing crud? iI'm new to the PNW, and skiing this one foot of crud is proving my 172s are too short. can't get enough speed without them getting the shakes, and without the speed I miss the lift.
D
Like you, tetsuma, I live in the PNW (Mt. Baker skier - when there's snow). I'm 6'1" and 205 lbs - not quite your heft.

The 8000 received wonderful reviews and is likely a great ski. However, I agree with Coach. I found it got knocked around in the heavy stuff.

Ultimately, I went with the other ski Coach mentioned, the Metron M:EX at 175 cm. It's plenty stiff, with great float and better carving than any ski I've owned (many). The M:EX ploughs through slop like a bulldozer but is suprisingly nimble and initiates turns easily.

At speed, the M:EX's are super stable. I expect you'd be happy on these rails. For you: 185 cm.
post #11 of 18
I did a demo of am 172 Dynastar 8000 this weekend. I liked it a lot better then I thought I would. Nice light Livily ski. plenty of pepe and energy. they have a wide verity of turn shapes. However the small amount of stiff crud I got into did throw it around. seems the tip is just to light. On a 1 to 10 scale Craving groomers 8.5 bumps also around 8 crud Hmmmmm 5 maybe? over all impression is an 8
post #12 of 18
Don't have any gripes with the 8000's. Of all the French ski manufacturers, Dynastar is the only ones I've never had problems with, aside from the fact that they do seem to be somewhat light and not particuallary well suited for a heavier person. Atomics have a foam filler too, but the titainium and carbon lobes act as a dual core and gives them a lot of backbone. And as for the Head iM 75's, the only thing I find weird about them is why everybody doesn't own a pair.
post #13 of 18
Skied my new 8000s today and they exceeded my expectations. I am 6'1". 195 and a very aggressive skier. Even though the 8000 is one of the lightest skis I have ever owned it was fantastic. Skied it in a 178 and think that the 184 would suite a bigger guy well. It does not weigh a lot but it is stiff and lively like a racing ski.
post #14 of 18
Dude.

How about a Blizzard GXP?
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson
How do you guys find the Recon "floppy"? I ski the XP currently, and the Recon is supposed to be the same ski in new colors. I ski on Michigan "hardpack". I ain't any 6-foot something, but my 220 lbs can bend a ski pretty well. I think the XP is fairly stable for a ski that does so well plowing through crud.
How fast/aggressively do you ski? The Recon has a definite top end - it's not happy at 30 mph and damn near dangerous at anything approaching 50 mph, especially on groomers with bits of crud scattered about. I've demoed them in the 174 and the 181 and didn't like either. It lacks torsional and longitudinal stiffness for its length, it's a "go 5 cm longer" ski. In all fairness to you, you have 50 lbs on me and you can probably plow through anything.

The Recons are good on smooth groomers and bumps though. I could really slam bumps in a good zipperline on them in the 181 length, and I'm only 165 lbs. (Could I possibly use more prepositions?)

Oh, and "I think the XP is fairly stable for a ski that does so well plowing through crud"? Stability and crud performance are facets of the same thing, and you imply they're mutually exclusive. Something's wrong with your perceptions here...

post #16 of 18
Me: 6-4, 240#, 43 y.o., 38 years on snow, 38 days last year.
Ski: Dynastar Legend 8000, 184cm. Brand new, factory tune.
Day/Place: Sunday, 8" fresh, Sugarbush VT.
Comment: This is my first pair of new skis in 4 years (!), so my perspective is substantially influenced by my beater 196cm Mod-Xs.
8000: I love 'em. Nice variety of turn shape. They can rattle off the short turns, or you can stand on that edge and arc 'em right out. Nice. These skis are lively and have a lot of snap, but it's good lively as opposed to squirrely. A good balance of power with this ski, I didn't feel like I was over-powering the ski, nor did I feel like the ski was over-powering me. A nice snappy finish to each turn. The powder didn't last long, and I wasn't really thinking about my skis, so no comment there. I thought the crud performance was great. What a hoot! But then, we only had 8" of fluff on top of crust, so what do I know? Hard snow performance was very respectable, plenty of grip, and no problems getting on edge. Again, pick your turn shape, and it's yours. I stayed away from the blue pond ice and the rock hard ice bumps, so no comment there. There just isn't enough Advil.....
Thanks to every one on this forum for their earlier comments on this ski. You convinced me, and I'm glad I took the plunge.
post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
looking for a pair of L8000's in 184cm. and the only place i can find them is ebay. with a couple available from :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...1114 269&rd=1

Sportsliquidators.. amy idea on them?
thanks,
D
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by tetsuma
looking for a pair of L8000's in 184cm. and the only place i can find them is ebay. with a couple available from :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26349&item=7131114 269&rd=1

Sportsliquidators.. amy idea on them?
thanks,
D
They're a reliable source for equipment. I've bought from them without a hitch in the past.

That's a pretty decent price on the 8000. I say go for it.
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