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post #481 of 821

I skied with Eddie Aspen Highlands and he taught me the "Lincoln Loop".
 

post #482 of 821
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Originally Posted by snoqueen View Post

Hey guys, news update!!! The Ski Hall of Fame event will be held in Park City, Utah next March 31 through April 5th 2014. Planning is just starting to have a mega Freestyle Pioneer event. Pencil in the dates, I will try to update as information comes in. Soooooooooooo excited. We had 80 of the Pioneers in Sun Valley two years ago and this event is shaping up to be even larger!!

 

Stay tuned!

 

Snoqueen 

 

Definitely keep us posted on this!

post #483 of 821

I used to post under the name Chuck, but I couldn't remember my password. So now I'm ChuckB. In August 2102 I retired and since then I've been able to more spend time doing things I like, including working on Winter Equinox, the freestyle skiing movie Bill Burks and I made on the 1974 Pro Tour. Today I posted the trailer on YouTube. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUn0y_HmC4g

 

You can also find it by googling Winter Equinox 1974 Freestyle Ski Movie Trailer. WE is further along than ever. We showed it at this year's Legends of Skiing event in Vail, and plan on being at Park City next year. We are presently looking for backing so we may shoot more present day interviews with the principal skiers in WE, but with 40 years perspective. We'd like to use their thoughts and words to narrate it. The trailer is family-friendly. At this time there are 2 versions of WE, one would probably be PG rated, is 45 mins in length, and is aimed at more general audiences. The other is more faithful to the original R rated 1976 edit, is 66 mins in length, is probably still R, and is the 'purist' edit.

 

I appreciate all the support Epic Ski and Hot Dog Freestyle the Old School has given me in this project. Enjoy!

post #484 of 821

Great trailer Chuck! Will you be using the original poster artwork for advertising or something new?

 

It's pretty cool.

post #485 of 821

The film has a different feel now than it did then. If we use the original artwork it would be more of a bow to sentiment than anything else. Cool that you looked up the poster. I have a framed copy in our catch-all room. On the subject of posters, Glen Plake told me he followed us around the parking lot the bottom of Heavenly as we shot interviews with the skiers before the 1974 Heavenly Valley mogul finals. They signed a poster he carried around. He said he still has the poster in his office. Thanks for your interest.

post #486 of 821

ChuckB,

This isn't a movie - its REAL:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTm_HfyuWrE

 

2/11!

 

Not bad for an old pro freestyler!

 

Snow Dancer
 

post #487 of 821

'REAL'...you're close. One day while we were editing WE, Bill Burks and I were looking for a title. He said liked the sound of the word equinox, and asked if there was a winter equinox. I told him there's a vernal (spring) equinox and an autumnal equinox, but that there's no such thing as a winter equinox. He said, 'Good, we'll call it Winter Equinox. There's no such thing, and the six weeks we spent shooting it wasn't real, either.' Thank God Bill had the vision to make our little ski movie. If not, enthusiasts who weren't there wouldn't be able to get a taste of what it was like, and those who were there can look back and remember. I'm sure WE will jar some memories loose that otherwise would remain buried in synapse cells. Thanks for your interest.

post #488 of 821

Here is a blue version of the Equinox poster with different wording probably made to promote the soundtrack.

 

 

 

post #489 of 821

We really enjoyed the old school version of the film.  I like the nostalgic, sort of home movies, feel of the old version.  But, I will very likely grab a new copy as well to watch and listen to at high volume.  I love the music in it.  The YouTube preview Chuck posted makes the mix sound really fantastic!  Can't wait!

post #490 of 821

It was cool to see ballet in the video Snow Dancer posted. I think people would get off on the old format of moguls, aerials, and ballet. But it probably ain't gonn'a happen.

 

The 66 minute 'purist' WE edit still uses the original music we recorded for it in 1975, but in stereo. The 12 string guitar tune in the trailer was written and performed by Chris Darrow of the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band (I'm dating myself). The 45 minute general audience edit uses hit tunes from the 70s. So we'd have to get clearances before we do anything with it. That could be expensive. We showed the 45 minute version at the Legends of Skiing event in Vail. It went over very well and the music worked.

 

I was very fortunate to get the 2-channel stereo master mixes of all the cues we recorded for WE. They were mixed down directly from the 16-track studio masters. I transferred them to a 96K file, so the quality of original music in the 'purist' edit is as good as it gets. I agree with you re: the 'home movie' flavor of the original version. The 66 minute edit is faithful to the original, but I tightened things up a bit, and used some present-day clips Brian Gilmore kindly loaned me from Dog Days of Winter, his excellent documentary of the early days of freestyle. And the picture came from our 1975 16mm Kodachrome first trial print, so the image quality is light years improved over what you saw on the DVDs I made in 2006. Thanks for your input.

post #491 of 821
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Originally Posted by ChuckB View Post

I used to post under the name Chuck, but I couldn't remember my password. So now I'm ChuckB. In August 2102 I retired and since then I've been able to more spend time doing things I like, including working on Winter Equinox, the freestyle skiing movie Bill Burks and I made on the 1974 Pro Tour. Today I posted the trailer on YouTube. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUn0y_HmC4g

 

You can also find it by googling Winter Equinox 1974 Freestyle Ski Movie Trailer. WE is further along than ever. We showed it at this year's Legends of Skiing event in Vail, and plan on being at Park City next year. We are presently looking for backing so we may shoot more present day interviews with the principal skiers in WE, but with 40 years perspective. We'd like to use their thoughts and words to narrate it. The trailer is family-friendly. At this time there are 2 versions of WE, one would probably be PG rated, is 45 mins in length, and is aimed at more general audiences. The other is more faithful to the original R rated 1976 edit, is 66 mins in length, is probably still R, and is the 'purist' edit.

 

I appreciate all the support Epic Ski and Hot Dog Freestyle the Old School has given me in this project. Enjoy!

 

That was great to watch! To think that competing in the late 80s/early 90s was once "new school".

post #492 of 821

Chuckb731:

 

Your trailer on Youtube is fabulous, brings back memories..  I love the sound track at the end where the skiers are are credited.

 

Thank You So Much

post #493 of 821
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Originally Posted by chuckb731 View Post

I used to post under the name Chuck, but I couldn't remember my password. So now I'm ChuckB. In August 2102 I retired and since then I've been able to more spend time doing things I like, including working on Winter Equinox, the freestyle skiing movie Bill Burks and I made on the 1974 Pro Tour. Today I posted the trailer on YouTube. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUn0y_HmC4g

 

You can also find it by googling Winter Equinox 1974 Freestyle Ski Movie Trailer. WE is further along than ever. We showed it at this year's Legends of Skiing event in Vail, and plan on being at Park City next year. We are presently looking for backing so we may shoot more present day interviews with the principal skiers in WE, but with 40 years perspective. We'd like to use their thoughts and words to narrate it. The trailer is family-friendly. At this time there are 2 versions of WE, one would probably be PG rated, is 45 mins in length, and is aimed at more general audiences. The other is more faithful to the original R rated 1976 edit, is 66 mins in length, is probably still R, and is the 'purist' edit.

 

I appreciate all the support Epic Ski and Hot Dog Freestyle the Old School has given me in this project. Enjoy!

Good to have you back. If you need help with your old account, please let me know.  I would be happy to help you with password set up. 

For those who are interested: 

There is a review from the original cut of Winter Equinox here 

I look forward to seeing more of Chuck's work. 


Edited by Trekchick - 6/23/13 at 3:39pm
post #494 of 821

Loved your trailer, thank you.  Good to see Mike King getting a little screen time, his bump skiing deserved it.  Agree that the drum chant works there.  icon14.gif

post #495 of 821

wuz a skier and Stranger,

 

The native drums and chant was performed by the Redwind Drummers and was recorded in the field by Carmen Dragon, a symphony conductor. He was Dennis Dragon's father. Dennis produced the original music for WE. We used this cue by itself, and with bass drum and sleigh bells that Dennis added during post-production. A note...we recorded most of the music for WE in a leased garage on Ocean Way, a residential neighborhood in Santa Monica CA. Alan Sides was the engineer. Ocean Way Recording has since become one of the world's premier recording studios, and Alan is highly regarded in the music and recording community. Needless to say, Ocean Way Recording no longer operates in a garage. Somehow Alan and Dennis squeezed the USC Orchestra into the old space to record the cue we used for the Heavenly Valley aerial sequence. I guess we took the term 'garage band' to an extreme.

post #496 of 821

NGDB were local heroes at the music store I grew up hanging out at.  icon14.gif  Thanks for the background info on the background music, really cool indeed.

post #497 of 821

Mike King plays prominently in Winter Equinox's Park City segment. He and John Clendenin rode up the chair together the morning of the mogul finals. Mike said he thought John was going to win the event. John was out late the night before and said he thought Mike would win. Mike won. I was fortunate to get my hands on the audio from ABC Wide World of Sports TV broadcast of the 1974 Park City contest and laid the audio of Stein Eriksen's running commentary of Mike King's winning run over our footage of him skiing, followed by audio of Tom LeRoy on the PA as Mike celebrates his win. It works well. Obviously we need to buy clearances for things like the Wide World of Sports audio clip. Until we do so I can't share WE in its present state. The same goes for the music. We recorded 28 tunes for WE, and I used most of them in the original edit. With a few exceptions, the current 66 minute 'purist' edit also uses the original music. The 45 minute 'general audience PG-rated edit uses hit songs from the 70s. They work very well, but again, I can't let this version out of my hands until we buy clearances for the music. That will be expensive.

post #498 of 821

Hello,

 

Michelle Gerard is my cousin.  She lives in N. California.  She had a bad car accident, and she does not ski anymore.  Sad.  Her father, Phil had a heart transplant, but he passed away about six months later.  One of Phil's old students runs his old school in L.A.  You can find Michelle on Facebook.

 

Sorry about the news.  I'm glad that you got to experience that wild ski school in L.A.!

 

Lisa

post #499 of 821

^^^ Thanks for the update, I copied the post you were likely replying to below:

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Happy new year!

 

What ever happened to Phil and Michele Girard? I used to train at the Ski World school in Venice, CA on the ski deck in the early eighties. Every once in a while Suzy Chaffee would drop by. A great group of people worked there. Phil, Michele, Rollie, Clint(?) and others were really helpful and nice to a kid who wanted to be able to ski anything and have fun doing it.

 

post #500 of 821

Please contact me in a PM. Thanks! Chuck

post #501 of 821

Trekchick,

Please send me a PM to which I can reply.

Chuck

post #502 of 821

crgildart,

Please send me a PM to which I may reply.

Chuck

post #503 of 821

Hi Chuck,

 

When was the 1974 Park City contest? I remember a Park City West mogul contest during the '73-'74 season. I think it was sometime in Feb of 1974, but really don't know the month for sure. I took some 8mm film of it and just uploaded it to a private link in YouTube. I don't recognize any big names, but I wonder if anyone can identify any of the skiers (I was gone from Utah until I returned for Grad school in the fall of '75). I recognize Bob Theobald as a judge (at 27 s) and Stein Eriksen may be standing there in a yellow jump suit at the 32 s mark. I remember the skier at 1:23 because he skied at Alta (where I skied) and was tall (~6 ft 4) for being such a good bump skier. You can find the film at:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfF0MU4V1gc

 

I'd appreciate any help,

 

Mark Johnson

post #504 of 821

The Beconta Cup--World Super Hot Dog Championships were held in early March 1974. More specifically the Ballet finals were on Thursday 3/7/74, Aerial finals 3/8/74, and Moguls finals on 3/9/74. I don't recall if the qualifying event was held on the day of the ballet or on the day before. The qualifying was new to us and rather strange. The top 20 in each of the each disciplines preliminaries automatically qualified for the all three events. (I'm not sure if there was a quota, but 10 out of the 60 who qualified for the three events were women). You chose the event specialty you wanted to try to qualify in and if you made the top 20 you would be in the entire three event contest. So instead of having the top competitors in each event competing among themselves the top 20 in that particular event (based on the preliminaries) competed against 20 each from the other two disciplines, as well as the top 20 from their own specialty. To me this degraded the overall level of competition in the interests of making the selection process easier by limiting the number of total competitors to 60.

 

I think this was the first national contest where the ski area decided who the judges would be. If I recall correctly Stein was head judge, maybe Tom Leroy was also a judge, and then the ski school luminaries at Park City at the time. To me this spelled the end of the free in freestyle, expecially in the mogul event. From then on a competitor would be wise to look like a ski instructor in the moguls if they wanted to score well. Knees held tightly together the whole way down. This soon became a major judging criteria for moguls. The irony is that while ski schools have sensibly adopted teaching a more wide track stance, "freestyle" is still saddled with a judging criteria based on 1970's ski school expert's technique. Even more ironic, as a result of the judging criteria books and articles make up bogus reasons why a knees together technique works best in the moguls (such as both skis being acted on the same) when a wider, independent leg, stance still allows for faster mogul skiing.

 

Other than Bob Theobold I couldn't identify any of the skiers in that Park West mogul event by their skiing style. I suspect it was a local amateur event.

post #505 of 821

Thanks for info. I would have been in the area then, but was skiing Alta every day and rarely trekked up towards Park City. I agree with some of the comments you made about toning down the "enthusiasm" in bump skiing in the interest of "proper" form. Here is another event that did have some best people in freestyle, but it was aerials at "Summer Air" at Nordic Valley in Ogden Ut, 1980. I couldn't identify everyone because of the bad backlight from where I stood. The video is blocked in Germany because it has music in it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW0wfcHiBkk

 

Best,

 

Mark Johnson

post #506 of 821

One tall mogul skier who was around Utah in the mid-70's was a guy named Danny 'Spider' Robinson. Could that be the guy at 1:23?

post #507 of 821

1980 was to late for me. John Eaves and Bob Young were contemporaries.

post #508 of 821

Could be, but I can't be sure of his name. I remember that he had a pair of Hanson boots in the fall of '73, but got rid of them after a couple of weeks because they didn't give him enough forward play to handle the bumps.

Mark

post #509 of 821

Sorry, my last reply seems to be a non sequitur; I was replying to "One tall mogul skier who was around Utah in the mid-70's was a guy named Danny 'Spider' Robinson. Could that be the guy at 1:23?"

 

The John Eaves and Bob Young references were to the Summer Air at Nordic Valley in 1980 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW0wfcHiBkk). Young was there and another jumper looks like Eaves, but I haven't gotten corroboration. Neither Salerno nor Dean Murphy could help ID any of the other skiers I labeled with question marks.

post #510 of 821
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Sorry, my last reply seems to be a non sequitur; I was replying to "One tall mogul skier who was around Utah in the mid-70's was a guy named Danny 'Spider' Robinson. Could that be the guy at 1:23?"

 

 

 

Yes, I understood that. For your convenience in the future, you can use the "Quote button to quote the post you're responding to then give your response. Helps avoid that kind of confusion.

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