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January 19, 2005

Clemens's Record Request: $22 Million

By TYLER KEPNER


oger Clemens still does not know if he will add another line to his dazzling career record. But in case he decides to play, Clemens exchanged salary arbitration figures with the Houston Astros yesterday. And there will be no hometown discount this time.

After winning his seventh Cy Young award last season - in his first season in the National League - Clemens filed for $22 million, the highest figure ever submitted in salary arbitration. The Astros countered with $13.5 million.

If Clemens and the Astros agree on the midpoint, $17.75 million, it would make Clemens the highest-paid pitcher ever, eclipsing the $17.5 million that Pedro Martínez earned from Boston last season.

Clemens, 42, was one of 40 players to exchange salary figures with their teams yesterday. It was a necessary procedural step for Clemens, who could not agree to a salary with the Astros partly because he is unsure if he wants to play.

"We are proceeding through the arbitration process as if Roger were going to play," Randy Hendricks, an agent for Clemens, said in an e-mail message. "However, he has not yet made a final decision."

The possibility of paying $22 million to one player probably frightens the Astros, but the team has more money to spend after losing the free-agent center fielder Carlos Beltran to the Mets.

Last season, Clemens and Beltran led the Astros to within one victory of the first pennant in franchise history. Clemens had hoped to see Beltran stay. "It is fair to say that Beltran not returning is a negative event," Hendricks said.

Asked if Clemens had given any hints about his future, Tim Purpura, the Astros' general manager, said, "Not in the least." Purpura said he had kept in touch with Clemens's agents but had not negotiated on a potential salary.

"We all agreed that until he makes a decision, there's nothing to negotiate," he said. "You don't want to be in a situation where you're spending time and energy trying to negotiate something that may not occur."

Clemens retired briefly after the 2003 season, his fifth with the Yankees. He signed with the Astros for a base salary of $5 million, his lowest since 1993. Clemens then went 18-4 with a 2.98 earned run average and earned $1.825 million in incentives.

If Clemens decided not to return, it would be another devastating blow to the Astros. Besides losing Beltran, they let go of Wade Miller, who won 45 games for them from 2001 through 2003 but missed most of last season with a frayed rotator cuff. Miller signed with Boston.

The Astros still have Roy Oswalt, a 20-game winner last season, and the former Yankee Andy Pettitte, who is hoping to come back healthy after elbow surgery last season.

"He looks great, feels great and he's really confident," Purpura said. "I really do expect him to be at full strength by spring training."

Oswalt was among the notable players who filed for arbitration yesterday; he asked for $7.8 million, and the Astros countered at $6 million. Houston also exchanged offers with the injured outfielder Lance Berkman, who filed for $11 million and was offered $10 million.

Johan Santana, who won the American League Cy Young award for the Minnesota Twins last season, filed for $6.8 million; the Twins offered $5 million. Arbitration hearings will begin on Jan. 31, and some prominent players avoided a hearing by signing yesterday.

Eric Gagne, the Los Angeles Dodgers closer who preceded Clemens as the N.L. Cy Young award winner, signed a two-year, $19 million deal. Gagne had a 2.19 E.R.A. and 45 saves last season.

The Boston Red Sox re-signed second baseman Mark Bellhorn to a one-year, $2.75 million contract; and starter Bronson Arroyo to a one-year, $1.85 million contract. Both players earned less than $500,000 last season.

The Philadelphia Phillies re-signed three players to one-year deals: second baseman Placido Polanco ($4.6 million), starter Vicente Padilla ($3.95 million) and shortstop Jimmy Rollins ($3.85 million).

The Florida Marlins re-signed Josh Beckett, the most valuable player of their 2003 World Series victory over the Yankees, to a one-year, $2.4 million contract. Beckett went 9-9 with a 3.79 E.R.A. last season and was limited to 26 starts because of a blister on his right middle finger.
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Its just a ploy to get back to the Yankees.
post #3 of 23
take a look at the bigger picture.....Wouldnt you sign R. Clemens for 27 million for 2 years..?????
To me it is the steal of the Year.
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As a Red Sox fan I can not stand the man! I know it is a bit naive but I wish the players had some level of loyalty to the uniform. When he left the Red Sox to go to Toronto "not for the money but to be closer to home" and then moved on to the Yankees so he could rub the Babe's belly it made me sick. He is the poster boy for the notion that the fans are for the name on the front of the jersey and the players root for the name on the back!
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$22 mil. just doesn't go as far as it used to. I mean, teh $5 mil he got last year..that barely covers kids braces anymore....for the whole state of Texas.
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Originally Posted by MikeC13
As a Red Sox fan I can not stand the man! I know it is a bit naive but I wish the players had some level of loyalty to the uniform. When he left the Red Sox to go to Toronto "not for the money but to be closer to home" and then moved on to the Yankees so he could rub the Babe's belly it made me sick. He is the poster boy for the notion that the fans are for the name on the front of the jersey and the players root for the name on the back!
Loyalty? The Sox owners lowballed him and inferred that he was over the hill. They basically invited him to leave.

3 Cy Youngs and a couple of Series wins later........
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If he goes to arbitration, he will win. Last year, he was paid about $4.5 mil. He won the Cy Young. In the past, he has done that back to back. The top pitches in B-ball are being paid upwards of $15 mil./yr. If Roger earns $22 mil. in 2005, then his two year total with the Astros is about $26.5 mil. That comes out to just over $13 mil/season. ...A virtual bargain for the Cy Young award winner. Granted, there are no guarantees, and Houston is not the same team that it was last year. All in all, Roger is a pretty smart guy.
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"pretty smart guy..."

...who still brings gasssssssssss, has a nastyass fork, and will drop you pronto if you start taking cuts that are a little too aggressive.

the way the game has changed - hoping your starter gives you a strong six, then bring in the two or three guys who will shut the door - has helped him, too.
if randy johnson is willing to give the ball up before he thinks he's ready (if the yankees can find someone to slip in there before you get to rivera), he could have a monster win-loss record. (having said that, i am Very Pleased with the way the world champion boston red sox have added some quality arms.)

notice all the 40+ athletes still dominating in their games? huge money will keep you in the gym and serious about it; clemens has never needed that motivation and, in fact, was the guy that gave schilling a good verbal kick in the ass that got schilling's head where it needed to be.
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My view is Clemens is asking for a price that would bring him back to a team that really screwed up its roster in the off-season. If he doesn't get it he'll stay home. If he does, he'll show up and give the depleted Astro's his all.
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Just read that a Houston TV station is reporting Clemens is close to signing a one year contract that will top Pedro's $17.5M for '04. As a long time Bosox fan (remember Danny Cater for Sparky Lyle? talk about torment), I have no probs w/Roger and am glad I got to see him pitch here in Boston. Although he was a lard a$$ in his last year or two and the "twilight of his career" statement by Duquette and low ball offer was EXACTLY the motivation he needed.

And Ryan, with all due respect: David Wells?!?!?!
post #11 of 23
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depends how they use him.

a lefty with experience and a breaking ball can almost always find a place and, if effective, contribute in a big way. personally, i think it's a worthwhile chance to take, especially at the price. i've taken a hiatus from keeping close tabs (till the second week of march or so anyway) so i haven't read specifics on how they plan to use him; and anyway, the reality of that will play itself out based on results.

wells is someone i wouldn't mind seeing against, for example, godzilla matsui in a pinch. and if he can start here and there, go a strong five or so, all the better. despite being a headcase, he knows how to pitch and has been through some late-season drives and october play; that's not to be underrated.
just my opinion.

scouting report: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...e?statsId=4057

also, it's still a clubhouse in which his "style" will be accepted.

more curious and optimistic about clement; despite mediocre numbers he looked good when healthy when i saw him on wgn cubs games.

look for bronson arroyo to finally put together a strong season.
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by ryan
depends how they use him.
Right now he is slated as the #2 starter. I was a huge fan of David Wells when he was with the Yanks. To be a #2 starter is asking a bit much at this stage of his career. He is at best a #4...Just due to wear and tear.....Wells has been injury prone and usually misses consecutive starts through out the season. They got him to fill the void of Pedro.......that is just wishful thinking. BTW, Wells contacted the Yankees before agreeing to Bostons deal....the Yanks said 'no thanks'.

If I were a Boston fan I would be very concerned with the off-season changes. The balance of power is once again with the Yankees!

Chowder Heads= :
post #13 of 23
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"The balance of power is once again with the Yankees! "

i know, i know. just like last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before. yawn.
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by ryan
"The balance of power is once again with the Yankees! "

i know, i know. just like last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before. yawn.
lol, actually the Red Sox were favored to win last year.

btw...looks like Clemens is signing for 17M
post #15 of 23
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I was expecting something more vitriolic.
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by ryan
I was expecting something more vitriolic.
like you mentioned earlier ...it is the off season


btw, I was sitting in Yankee Stadium watching the Red Sox celebrate.....
sobers one up a bit.... :
post #17 of 23
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72 days til opening day.
sox play yanks six of first nine games.
should make for a nice first part of april.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by ryan
72 days til opening day.
sox play yanks six of first nine games.
should make for a nice first part of april.
Yep, and the Yanks will be at Boston when Boston receives their WS rings.

Salt in the wound.....
post #19 of 23
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now that breaks my heart.

















mmmmbwah.
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Originally Posted by ryan
now that breaks my heart.
















mmmmbwah.
lol, I'm sure it does
ever make it East for games?
post #21 of 23
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looking for a fenway weekend in august, if i can grab some tix and find some decent airfare.
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Originally Posted by ryan
looking for a fenway weekend in august, if i can grab some tix and find some decent airfare.
August will work....October won't.
post #23 of 23
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i know, i know. like last year.

yawn, the sequel.

HEY THAT REMINDS ME!

On October 21st, 2004 the American Medical Association (AMA) issued an advisory that the Universal Choking Sign has been revised.

OLD SIGN:

http://www.soxrock.com/oldchoke.jpg

NEW SIGN:

http://www.soxrock.com/yankschoke.jpg
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