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New ski/binding combos, like Salomon Pilot

post #1 of 11
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I have read favorable reports about the Salomon Pilot line which requires the Salomon bindings [which bindings I like] and the Atomics requiring Atomic bindings [which bindings I don't really like very much]. I see that Volkl also has such a ski, which requires Marker bindings [whch are ok]. For whatever it's worth, I prefer the Look/Rossi turntable bindings. I'd like to have some of your thoughts on this trend to the skis that requre only certan bindings.
post #2 of 11
My choice (for locked heel) is the Rossi/Look Axial (swivel heel) also.

Of the new ones, I have only tried the Salomon Pilot and found it to be great when purely carving on groomers, but not so great anywhere the terrain is rough. It basically makes the ski softer by allowing flex right under the foot -- right where I want my ski to be the stiffest. Just my take.
post #3 of 11
AC, I found the same to be true with the older Pilots but not with the Crossmax 10 Pilot. It holds and skis well on hardpack and feels pretty solid in the boot area.
post #4 of 11
the 2001/2002 Rossi T-Power Viper X PPS skis only work with the Rossi axial series binding. I'm pretty sure the 9S and 9X are the same way. Rossignol lists whats what.
post #5 of 11
I'm 100% with AC on the first generation Pilot 10. Great at doing rounded turns on groomed steeps but a poor first attempt otherwise. The binding is also a little heavier than you'd want. With a better ski design, the system is probably fine. I really like the idea that there's no redrilling required... I have a long boot sole and that feature makes 'em more marketable as used skis.
post #6 of 11
Does that improved flex under foot contribute to the performance of the ski in powder?
post #7 of 11
I don't like the trend too much. Not because the ski/binding combinations out there are bad, but because it is purely a marketing push!

It would be VERY easy for ski manufacturers to produce skis with a floating plate that can accept any binding. That would give consumers the choice to combine products as they see fit.

The other problem is that bindings generally last longer than skis. Now you will have less opportunity to re-use bindings.
post #8 of 11
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TomB:

The other problem is that bindings generally last longer than skis. Now you will have less opportunity to re-use bindings.
I have always had the opposite experience. I have always chewed through toe pieces much faster than skis. That's been my history for 25 years. Mid-70's Salomon 555E, Tyrolia 3x0, Geze G9x, Salomon S9xx all failed with worn out bushings. After 75-100 days, the toes are 100% shot. I've gone strings of 4 or 5 years skiing on a constant string of replacement bindings. My skis never go on the roof of a car so it's just wear & tear, not neglect. I ski my toes set to the standard chart setting... heavy level III guy with long boot sole puts me at a DIN 8. I rarely walk out of the toes while skiing but I can self-release with minimal effort. I usually have the heels cranked up to 10... particularly on my powder skis.
post #9 of 11
So long as the manuf'r offers you the choice to buy "with or without", as per Volkl, I'm OK with this development; but I agree with TomB that it will be troublesome if the manufacturers soon eliminate the "without" option.
I'll be very interested to see how or whether the $1k pricing holds up for skis being sold "with." Anybody know what these $1k rigs were sold for out of season? It is not inconceivable to me that the real price (the out of season price) for these new skis "with" will turn out to be less than the combined real price of skis "without" and bindings.
post #10 of 11
All the manufacturers want you to buy their skis AND their bindings and so they put pre-drilled plates on the skiswhich only take their bindings, like some Dynastars and Atomics. Lately though they redesigned the bindings so that they will only fit onto their brand of skis, so when you wear out or break your skis you have to buy the same brand of skis again or throw away a perfectly good set of bindings. Cunning.

The integrated systems don't do anything, in terms of letting the ski flex, that current plates and bindings don't already do. The only improvement in performance is that of the marketing departments in sucking you in to spending more money on their products. I totally aree with TomB on that.

Dynastar had a free flex plate on their Autodrive skis which would take any brand of binding but lately they have been pre-drilling them to only take Look/Rossi bindings.It was a pity as they had been taking the moral high ground on the issue and letting us decide what bindings we wanted, but it isn't a big issue as they are the best bindings anyway.

I just wonder how much longer this dumb fad of integrated systems like pilot and motion will continue.
post #11 of 11
I'm less concerned about the integrated systems, which do look like only a fad as kiwi says, than the ski manufacturers who have added plates that will take only their own brand of bindings. Cunning indeed; perhaps too cunning. Being the suspicious sort, I wonder about the legality of it. But hey, what do I know.
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