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Bindings on twin tips?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
I'm going to demo some fat skis on an upcoming trip out west. Looking at the B3's, Mojos, Seth Pistols, and Karmas. I don't spend time in the park so these will primarily be used for pow/crud. I've heard a number of comments regarding mounting the bindings anywhere from 1-3cm back from center on the twins listed above. Anybody out there riding any of these that can offer some advice?

I realize that moving the mount can make a lot of difference in performance so any feedback is appreciated.
post #2 of 10
mount the ski as it is marked on the ski. the only reason to mount forward of the recommended mounting location is if you plan to spend alot of time in the park - like half your day, every day. the forward mount is great on rails and great when skiing switch. otherwise, it messes up the flex pattern of the ski, makes it harder to be on the right part of the ski in steep, fast terrain, and generally makes the tip feel squirrely.
post #3 of 10
If it isnt going to be a park ski, go with the normal mounting position- even though backcountry twins are gaining popularity, the pros who design them are still mounting them no more than 2cm forward for mixed park/pow use.
post #4 of 10
Can only tell about the Mojos (186 cm) that I mounted 3cm back for BC, worked fine for me.
post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 
I definitely was not going to move them forward. However, I had heard in several reviews that some of the twins tend to dive in powder, hence the recommendation to move the mount point slightly back on the ski to give them a little better float. I would think that on the Seth Pistol it would not be an issue since it was primarily designed with off piste in mind. I don't know about the other two though.
post #6 of 10
if you want a park ski, buy a ski that has a forward mounting point. if you want a powder ski, buy a ski with a traditional mounting point.

most people who are mounting a ski "further back" are doing so because they bought a ski for powder like the K2 Fujative that has a center mount and are moving the mount backward. this is just not the best way to start.

B3: mount this "further back" and you'll hate it. this isn't even a twin: this is a big mountain ripper. leave all the park trash on moving the binding away from this ski.

Pistol: mount this "further back" and you'll hate it - you won't be able to control the tip right in any snow.

Mojo: i believe variable mounting on this ski with that wierd plate thingy. i say mount it where it's marked: the ski was designed around having the binding there, and it will flex best and react in the snow best with the binding there.

having mounted skis fore and aft, i have to say they all seem to ski better when the binding is mounted as the manufacturer intends. on demo skis, you don't have to worry about this: they don't mount the binding wierd: they mount the binding where the manufacturer intended.

if you ski with some wierd california gangster steez, it might be cool to mount the binding wierd. otherwise, if you have good technical ability, mount the binding as the manufacturer intended - you'll appreciate it in demanding situations.
post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by mdcflynn
I'm going to demo some fat skis on an upcoming trip out west. Looking at the B3's, Mojos, Seth Pistols, and Karmas. I don't spend time in the park so these will primarily be used for pow/crud.
If they are going to be used for powder and crud, why not get an Explosiv and skip the twin? Seth Pistols and Karma's pale in comparison in the crud to the mighty Exploder!
post #8 of 10
I have the Salomon Lab 1080's skis and they have a more forward mounting point but are still by no means "center mounted". I do find that they don't do quick slalom turns like my old k2 mod x, but heaviing the more forward mount pays huge dividends in bumps when I'm trying to whip my skis into position jumping from mogul to mogul. I haven't done any tree skiing yet this year, but I think they will be good for that too. But I do agree that you should always mount the ski where it was designed to be mounted because it will carve properly that way.
post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bandit Man
If they are going to be used for powder and crud, why not get an Explosiv and skip the twin? Seth Pistols and Karma's pale in comparison in the crud to the mighty Exploder!
I thought about the Explosive. I spend plenty of time lurking on the TGR boards so I've heard plenty about them. Last year was really the first year I had an opportunity to ski powder more than boot deep and it was the best skiing experience of my life. I demoed the Pocket Rockets which were a lot of fun but felt a little too soft and were chattery in the tip once I got out of the soft snow. I'm 6' and 205lbs and would say my skill level is advanced. I tried some Monster 85's(?) the same day and thought the tail was too stiff for my tastes, which got me leaning more towards the skis I'm looking at. I'll get to spend 6-10 days a year out west and figure something a little softer than the Explosive will fit me better for the next few years anyway. I also prefer shorter turns v high speed arcs on the steeps. The twin tips are built with a little more sidecut which also should meet my needs for a while.

RE: using the mounting point the manufacturer recommends, that makes sense if you're using the ski exactly the way the manufacturer originally intended. But like many things in life people find out that some tools are great for uses other than their original intent, which is some of what I've heard re: the mojo. Originally, Head marketed it as primarily a park ski that could also be used in the powder, but a lot of people have been reporting that its a great pow ski. Essentially a PR with a wood core. Some have said they moved their mounts back and some haven't. So I was looking for some people who are skiing them to get their feedback.
post #10 of 10
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Originally Posted by mdcflynn
I also prefer shorter turns v high speed arcs on the steeps. The twin tips are built with a little more sidecut which also should meet my needs for a while.
I am just having trouble with the types of skis you are suggesting and your weight. It's very likely you'd fold a Seth Pistol in half...unless you went with the 189 length, but then you'd lose the short turn ability you are after.

Anyhow...good luck with Demo's.
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