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Fischer Worldcup SC

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I have previously posted how I am looking for a super-carver for the frozen boilerplate that passes for snow these days out East... I was just about sold on the Salomon Equipe 10 SC ... as opposed to the Atomic b5. Then the local ski shop induced me to try the RX8 Fischer and the Worldcup SC... (also the Bandits and some sort of Blizzards in gross orange and titantium) All in 165.

I wound up disliking the RX8 -- too soft, grip failed when pushed hard over the crud. But then I tried the WC SC. Grip, grip, grip. Stiff and heavy too. A real monster that is plenty fast in the short arc turns and balanced enough for long radius stuff. Excellent on the steep 'n icy. So now what do I do? Save about $250 as opposed to the Salomons? Ugh. So two questions (and I have done my searches in this forum):

1. Who has recently demo'd the WC SC or skis them and could add their impressions (any info as to the railflex would be VERY welcome too), and

2. Advice on the WC SC as opposed to the Salomons. Just these two skis -- I can't demo another pair and stay sane, at least until I own one of these.

I feel the need for new skis and can't wait until end of season sales. I am obsessed!!:
post #2 of 20
The WC SC is a great ski, IMHO much nicer than the Salomons. I like the feel of the RailFlex, personally. BTW, I suspect that the RX8s were mis-tuned. I've never heard anyone call them soft, nor seen their grip "fail".

That said, I'd definitely recommend the WC SC over the Salomon.
post #3 of 20
I can't offer too much help but I skied the Fischer Race Stock Slaloms (Not the SC) last year in upstate NY. Therefore, I was probably dealing with similar snow conditions... I love the Fischers and was very impressed with the grip. Everything about them was solid! I also owned the '02 Race Stock GS from Fischer and love them too. Fischer makes a great ski, especially for nasty NE ice
post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 

uh yeah maybe ...

Steve -- the RX8s may have been a little beaten up? While they were supposed to be new this season, after bringing them back I had a good close look at them and was slightly amazed to see that there was what was possibly the start of delamination at the base of the tip/shovel of one of the skis. If it was as a result of a serious impact, then the ski was whacked to start with. If it was a result of simple use -- and really only used this season -- then I need to stay away from it anyway? I took them out expecting and wanting to love them: if there was any chance that they were "for me" I'd have bought them. I tried for 1/2 a day to like them: no doing.

By contrast, I loved the WC SCs half way down from the top on the first run -- and I wanted to dislike them (the guy at the shop insisted that I take them out almost to the point of being obnoxious). So now I just need to hear from some others about the ski -- I am starting to think that I must be crazy in terms of what I like and what I want (or I have bad technique, am unrealistic, have weird sensations when skiing, don't understand what makes a good ski, etc.).

Thanks again.
post #5 of 20
The WC SC is a great ski, and definitely worth the money. This year they went to a less deep sidecut, so the ski is a little more versatile overall. I haven't had any luck with Salomon, and most of the people I know that switched from Salomon to Fischer have felt the same way.
post #6 of 20

Go get 'em!

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Originally Posted by Jurisproodenz
Steve -- the RX8s may have been a little beaten up? While they were supposed to be new this season, after bringing them back I had a good close look at them and was slightly amazed to see that there was what was possibly the start of delamination at the base of the tip/shovel of one of the skis. If it was as a result of a serious impact, then the ski was whacked to start with. If it was a result of simple use -- and really only used this season -- then I need to stay away from it anyway? I took them out expecting and wanting to love them: if there was any chance that they were "for me" I'd have bought them. I tried for 1/2 a day to like them: no doing.

By contrast, I loved the WC SCs half way down from the top on the first run -- and I wanted to dislike them (the guy at the shop insisted that I take them out almost to the point of being obnoxious). So now I just need to hear from some others about the ski -- I am starting to think that I must be crazy in terms of what I like and what I want (or I have bad technique, am unrealistic, have weird sensations when skiing, don't understand what makes a good ski, etc.).

Thanks again.
Jurisproodenz, I wouldn't try to move you away from the WC SC. If you are able to bend it (which you obviously are), it's a really great ski. I know that a number of the folks on the list have them, and I have heard only good. I would not hesitate, especially at the price. They are very high quality, and great turners.

As for the RX8s, I suspect you got a pair of skis that had been badly mishandled. I know a number of folks (including me) with pairs that have been skied all over without a single problem. While I don't want to guess what happened to that pair, I will say without a doubt that they were not performing as they should.

Don't judge the RX8 by your experience, but do go get those WC SCs!
post #7 of 20
WC SC is a phenomenal ski. very powerful, very quick, very stable, OUTSTANDING feel for the snow and edge hold. it doesn't give you room to make mistakes, you must stay centered or risk having the skis shoot out from under you. you can also get too far forward and "ahead of" your turn which results in much frustration. ski 'em centered, take the ride of your life!

I recently sold mine as I was skiing too much crud to make holding on to them worthwhile. Mine were 160cms 2003-04 model, I'm 5'10" and 160 lbs Level 8 skier, ski fast and aggressive but smooth(ish). Mine had the race plate and Rossi Pivot binders.
post #8 of 20
The World Cup SC is a superb ski, I find my 160cm '03/'04 model to be a great ski for the groomed and hard pack and also pretty good off piste. I have not skied the '04/'05 model, but based upon other people's experience with it, the narrower tip makes the new model more versatile for crud and powder without significantly changing its character as a great slalom carver.

Jim
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by ssh
The WC SC is a great ski, IMHO much nicer than the Salomons. I like the feel of the RailFlex, personally. BTW, I suspect that the RX8s were mis-tuned. I've never heard anyone call them soft, nor seen their grip "fail".

That said, I'd definitely recommend the WC SC over the Salomon.
I will call them soft for you. The RX8 is a great ski, I really like it, but I have to admit that it is soft in longitudinal flex compared to racing skis. This can be a big advantage when skiing snow. It helps in adapting to terrain, getting it mated to the snow so to speak as you snake through moguls. A stiff longitudinal flex allows you to put more force farther away from the boot on a hard surface, but you will be pushing snow around instead of bending the ski in softer snow.
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by Ghost
I will call them soft for you. The RX8 is a great ski, I really like it, but I have to admit that it is soft in longitudinal flex compared to racing skis. This can be a big advantage when skiing snow. It helps in adapting to terrain, getting it mated to the snow so to speak as you snake through moguls. A stiff longitudinal flex allows you to put more force farther away from the boot on a hard surface, but you will be pushing snow around instead of bending the ski in softer snow.
Soft compared to racing skis? I'll buy that. "Soft" skis? I won't buy that. I think Pocket Rocket when I think soft!
post #11 of 20
OK, I have demoe’d both in the last month. The WC SC for a half-day and the Salomon SC 10 for a day and a half. For me, the WC SC’s are stiffer and come alive at faster speeds. For an all day ski, they can be a lot of work. I remember reading your post dated 1/6. It doesn’t sound like you want to be pushing this ski all day long. The Salomon SC 10 is softer and smoother allowing it to turn very easy at slower speeds although I thought it handled quite well at high speeds.
They are both great skis but there is no question that the WC SC’s will require more work from you. You really need to figure out what your fit is based on your condition. You will not read one bad post about the WC SC’s. I don’t think that many people have demoe’d the SC 10. For me, the SC 10 was quicker edge-to-edge and just SO EASY to lay them over for trench like turns. You should know this as you have demoe’d them. This is an unbiased opinion. I own SL9’s, which I love along with 5 stars and iM 75 chips. Oh, and as far as edge hold on ice? They both don’t miss a beat.
post #12 of 20
I love my Worldcup SCs. And my Supersport 4 stars as well. The SCs are just fun fun fun.
post #13 of 20
I have skied the WC SC for the past 2 seasons as my main ski. I ski moslty VT & a little NY. I have about 45 days in on the ski. If you want to push hard all day, this may not be your ski. I typically get on the lift @ sugarbush round 8:15, ski non-stop till lunch (15 min) & then back at it. It usually kick my rear by 2 pm. After that your mistakes are on full display. If you pace yourself better, go for it! I would still consider the RX8 as a better all rounder. The railflex is nice, but I prefer the solid feel of the look binding on the plate w/o the motion.
After that much abuse, the ski is still plenty stiff & full of camber
post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 

Great feedback - thanks.

Thanks Guys! As I sit here by my kitchen window it is 0 degrees outside. Just in your face wicked cold. Keeps the snowboarders off the slopes, anyway.

I take the comments on the WC SC clearly: this is a great ski provided you put the work in -- and most people (including me) can't or won't be able to provide the requisite effort for a whole day (at least 5 hours). Whereas the 10 SC Salomons don't quite give the out-and-out performance of the Fischer, it will keep on giving long after the Fischer has decided to bite me in the ass for being tired, old or lazy?

Somehow I sort of understand that intuitively, but am seduced by the performance of the Fischer ... but I need to live by the maxim that a good day skiing is one where you can kick back at the end of the day for some liquid refreshement with all your ligaments and bones in their proper places and in one piece. So introspection is required (and not sheer speed greed) to admit the onset of age and realistically determine my needs.

So ... maybe the solution is to try and demo the WC SC for an entire day and ski it 'till I drop and see if that hits the gong ... jeez that sounds stupid even to me! Sort of explains how a guy can have three lousy disks in one back, though.

To be honest, I tend to ski from first tracks at 8:30 to noon or 12:30 have lunch and then a few more runs (honestly!!) before heading back to do some cross country (keep cholesteral count low with aerobic stuff and avoid becoming fatter than I am). So more than 5 or 6 hours on the snow is really a thing of the past for me anyway: local snowboarders (touchy subject, I know) tend to scrape off all the good snow by just after lunch anyway. So maybe the WC SCs could be a good choice....
post #15 of 20
From my experience, I would discourage dropping down in performance. I have done it, and was miserable! Instead, go for the performance and grow into them. That's my advice.
post #16 of 20
I would strongly rec the RX8 over the soli or there is also a WC model below the SC w/ more forgiving features
post #17 of 20
I used to push how many hours or how much vertical I could squeeze into one day. Quantity over quality. Now I really focus on how the time I spent on the snow was used. If I lived a long distance away from the slope perhaps this would be different, but I'd rather have 3 hours of good turns than a whole day of average turns.

Either ski is going to get you there. I prefer the added effort the Fischer WC SC requires and the energy it returns. When I'm on top of a ski like that, suddenly it becomes easy and all of the added effort is worth it. The SC is nowhere near as unforgiving as the Fischer SL, and I've spent good days on that ski as well.
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by Ghost
I will call them soft for you. The RX8 is a great ski, I really like it, but I have to admit that it is soft in longitudinal flex compared to racing skis. This can be a big advantage when skiing snow. It helps in adapting to terrain, getting it mated to the snow so to speak as you snake through moguls. A stiff longitudinal flex allows you to put more force farther away from the boot on a hard surface, but you will be pushing snow around instead of bending the ski in softer snow.
this is the same "Ghost" that sought ski advice for a "fast Level 6-7"?

right.
post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by gonzostrike
this is the same "Ghost" that sought ski advice for a "fast Level 6-7"?

right.
One and the same. The level 6-7 skier is my Daughter . I'm looking forward to the day when she skis faster than me on the hills.
post #20 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
I would strongly rec the RX8 over the soli or there is also a WC model below the SC w/ more forgiving features
That would be the Race SC.
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