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How hot do Technica hot form liners get?

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Technica web site says "they do not get hot like other heated boot liners". So how does one know if they actually work? Can the heat be detected during fitting? When being fitted for a new pair of Diablos, I could detect no temperature change in boot liners before and after the 10 miniute heating period on the transformer.
post #2 of 11
I assume you're referring to hot form liners. Mine warm up to a noticeable degree when plugged in at home or in the car. They feel warm when I put them on in the parking lot after the 20 minute drive up the hill. When they were fitted, the boot guru used a convection oven, I think, even though he had the Technica transformer-for-fitting-thingy. I didn't think they felt very warm, but definitely felt some heat.
post #3 of 11
Last time I had my XTs hotformed you could definitely feel the heat in them. Had to do that to check as according to the machine only one liner was making a circuit. Remember though that the heat elements do not go down into the forefoot section of the liner.
post #4 of 11
There are two issues here;
At Fitting in the shop both the "fit" and "hot form" liners are heated so they can better conform to your foot. There should be noticable heat---they come out of the back room pretty warm, warm enough to instantly heat your feet for sure.

The liners of the "hot form" when plugged in, do generate enough heat that you can feel it, but does not reach the level used in the shop. This system is used more for drying which I have found to be quite effective. They are usually still at "room temp" after a short drive to the hill as DH mentioned.
post #5 of 11
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Technica Diablo Hot Form defects

The Diablos that have been "hot formed" twice without changing temperature noticeably have been declared by technica as "not getting as hot as they should". Technica says they have no liners in stock to replace them, but will replace the liners whenever they manage to obtain a pair. I purchased the boots at St. Bernard Sports in Dallas. Does anyone have experience with Technica standing behind thier product (and St. Bernard standing behind their sale)? I'm disappointed in the response after shelling out an extra $100 for custom insoles, paying retail for the boots, and messing with them for over a month.
post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by NMlobo
The Diablos that have been "hot formed" twice without changing temperature noticeably have been declared by technica as "not getting as hot as they should". Technical says they have no liners in stock to replace them, but will replace the liners whenever they mange to obtrain a pair. I purchased the boots at St. Bernard Sprots in Dallas. Does anyone have experience with Technica standing behind thier product (and St. Bernard standing behind their sale)? I'm dissapointed in the response after shelling out an extra $100 for custom insoles, paying retail for the boots, and messing with them for over a month.
If I were you, I would request that the shop swap the hot forms for the standard, non hot form liners and your money back for the difference. The bootfitter that I go to told me that hot form liners are very prone to losing their form fit. He has had to replace "countless" liners b/c of this problem. The foam simply does not hold its shape and the boot one day feels too big as the foam is no longer snug against the foot/ankle. I'm not sure what the warranty is, but if you don't ski a lot, the warranty may be worthless if this ultimately happens to you (if you wait for the new hot form).

I have hot form liners and like them, but he warned that one skier had to have them replaced after only 19 days of skiing. The reason I have the hot forms is b/c I got last years Tecnica Icon DPXRs (w/ hot form liners) for only $99. If the same closeout boot was available from that bootfiter w/out the hot form, I would have purchased it instead. The bootfitter, who is a master boot fitter, and well respected in NH says the regular tecnica liner is superior to the hot form. In fact, he does not carry the hot form liners anymore. You can buy the Diablos from him, but not with a hot form liner.

Good luck with whatever you decide. If the dealer is respectable, they will accommodate you.
post #7 of 11
NMlobo----Want to make sure we are all on the same page here.

Plugging your liners into the wall with the gizmo you got with the boots is not the way they should be fitted in the shop.

My Fitter used what could best be discribed as a turbo-charged blow dryer and got my liners (I've done this with the "fit" and "hot form" liners) quite warm for the initial fitting in the store. Using the plug in that comes with your liners is not the usual way to "fit" this boot.

Having used both liners---I find that the "hot form" is superior to the regular "fit" system, even with-out the heat being functional. I do notice there is a compacting of the foam in both liners after a week or so of skiing, once the boots are fully "broken in". I have also found that If you simply remove the liner from the boot overnight that the liners will expand a bit without much if any memory loss and hang in there for another week or so. This compacting is minimal in any event.

I would suggest you call Tecnica directly. I think the main offices are in New Hampshire. I'm sure you can get the phone # at the web site, and I know I have e-mailed them and they did respond. They may have a set of liners.....but until then go skiing on your Hot Form Liners---The only thing you can't do is dry them-----pull the liners at night---put them over a WARM air source, like a duct (but not an electric or hot water baseboard system) and take them skiing while you wait for your new liners.

If the shop you bought them at is telling you that they use the plug in device supplied with your liners (that's yours) to fit your boots----FIND ANOTHER SHOP !!!
post #8 of 11
If I were you, I would request that the shop swap the hot forms for the standard, non hot form liners and your money back for the difference. The bootfitter that I go to told me that hot form liners are very prone to losing their form fit. He has had to replace "countless" liners b/c of this problem. The foam simply does not hold its shape and the boot one day feels too big as the foam is no longer snug against the foot/ankle. I'm not sure what the warranty is, but if you don't ski a lot, the warranty may be worthless if this ultimately happens to you (if you wait for the new hot form).


The above is copied: Never done that before!

I ski in Hot form. If I were to swap out for a regular liner there would be a huge need for custom work. That is why I bought the Hot form. It is not a perfect system but it has worked for me.

The best results for me have always been when we (shop & me) over heat the liner. Hot! Try not to over tighten if you want more fill.

It's an ok boot. If I did not need the custom fit I would pass on Tecnica.

I have always purchased a foam boot until the Hot form. With a foam boot you are stuck with the original fit. And the foam does shrink.
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by paul jones
I ski in Hot form. If I were to swap out for a regular liner there would be a huge need for custom work. That is why I bought the Hot form. It is not a perfect system but it has worked for me.
This is certainly a good point. If that's the case for NMlobo, then I would agree that you should keep the hot forms if you don't have access to a good boot fitter. The issue of the breakdown of the hot form seemed worth mentioning b/c if NMlobo is comfortable in the "fit" liner, then the extra money is very questionable for the hot form. I do like the hot form, but worry that I will be replacing them next year. Hopefully that won't be the case.

I feel for you NMlobo. Full retail and having to deal with this problem (whether it is a Tecnica issue or dealer issue) stinks!
post #10 of 11
Let me clear some things up. The Hot Form boots should be heated with the plug in transformer that the dealer has, this is NOT the same thing that comes with the boot, that is a warmer/drier and is not used to "Hotform" the boot. If the fitter did not use the transformer (a black box with lights on it about the size of a dictonary) then I would seek out a better shop, also you will want the fitter to turn the timer up to 15 minutes rather than 10, this will result in a warm feeling inside the boot but not what I would call hot. The boot should then be buckled rather tightly and you will want flex into the boot to move your heel all the way back into the heel pocket, walk around the store for about 15 min. and you should be all set.
post #11 of 11
Dude's point is a good one.

10 min does not do it as far as heat is concerned. My fitter used a much higher temp than most. He even left the conection on while I snugged the boot.

Before you mold the liner it is posible to identify pressure points and pack them prior to fitting. This guy was good - Reliable Recing, Glens Falls.
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