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post #31 of 37
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
I can't imagine any GS course where a 12m radius SL would be ideal.
Highway Star-
Agreed. The suggestions are dealing with a limited amount of information and specifically addressing only enough funds for one ski for two disciplines. Personally, I'm not suggesting that an SL ski is ideal for GS, but that it would be best to start with an SL ski for SL and get that taken care of, then use it for GS while skills are being developed. When funds are available for a GS ski, and KJ's racing skills are further developed, then he can fill out his quiver with the appropriate ski.

Ideally, he won't compromise both and need to purchase 2 sets of skis once he is comfortable with gates. It would also be detrimental to "overski" his SL so that he isn't able to develop good technique from the start.

As you say- we don't have enough information to prescribe any medicine. Even if we did it would still be hocus pocus over the internet.
post #32 of 37
Highway Star, I have been on race stock skis, and have bent hard ones pretty easily. I just dont see the need for some people to spend money on things like that for high school racing. Your idea of high school racing must be very different from my idea. The high school racing I know is more fun based, and less go and get the lowest times in history by using 100 bux of wax.
And as far as our courses are concerned, there are tons of people using race stock slalom skis for it, in length of 155-165. A full blown G.S. ski on this course would kill you. period. You need a ski with a 12-14m radius. For this kid he needs to tell us how competitive his high school racing is, and in which state (since that might help identify the type of hill.)
post #33 of 37
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Originally Posted by bigndude
Highway Star, I have been on race stock skis, and have bent hard ones pretty easily. I just dont see the need for some people to spend money on things like that for high school racing. Your idea of high school racing must be very different from my idea. The high school racing I know is more fun based, and less go and get the lowest times in history by using 100 bux of wax.
And as far as our courses are concerned, there are tons of people using race stock slalom skis for it, in length of 155-165. A full blown G.S. ski on this course would kill you. period. You need a ski with a 12-14m radius. For this kid he needs to tell us how competitive his high school racing is, and in which state (since that might help identify the type of hill.)
My high school racing was on a 5-600 foot vertical course. About 3/4 of Bousquet in Pittsfield MA. Fairly steep at the top gradually flattening out at the end. GS courses were about 30 seconds, SL about 45. This was in the mid 90's. All decent racers were on 2 different skis back then, and they still are today, from the kids I see training there. We had more than enough pitch to hit 40+ mph in GS coming off the face, and GS suits were important for speed in GS. I pre-released one time midway through a GS run, and went down.....slid a long ways. I ski the area every year when I'm home for the holidays, and the trail has enough pitch to get a pair of 218 cm, ~40m radius Volkl DH boards up to 60+ mph and turning very effectively for a few turns.....ditto for my 201cm stockli asteriods, 192 stockli 1st gen stormriders, and pretty much anything else, including all GS skis.

All the top racers back then were doing tri-state or whatever...two full days of training on weekends and regonal races. They all had proper gear. School teams were competitive with each other. Of course the majority of kids out there were doing it for fun, and not serious racers.

So, you guys must be on a pretty tiny hill or the guys setting your courses are just dumb and are setting too tight. Or you can't turn.
post #34 of 37
I wish our course was as you described it, but its not at all. Flat start, not steep or even close to it. Think VT fairly level green circle, and thats the course. The gates are set horribly, but try putting three courses onto a mid sized trail and thats what happens. Most of the kids that race here do not race anywhere else and never have. Most don't even own race skis. I am one of the few to have a race quiver to use. Your lucky to hit 35 on this course, and the fast racers usually finish in the 23 second range. This is at Mt. Southington in CT check out their site and look at CISL racing, thats what it is. But its fun.
p.s(Yes I can turn, and quite well at that)
post #35 of 37
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well our high school racing isnt the most competitive... we all try to have a good time but we also try to WIN! We are a class C school compeating against other c and b schools. We are racing in Michigan at crystal mountain, If ya know where that is. they usually set a GS course that if you score a 20 second run you are pretty decent. and a sl course 26seconds or so....... its not a hugh hill but its decent for michigan
post #36 of 37
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Originally Posted by ketchumjesse
well our high school racing isnt the most competitive... we all try to have a good time but we also try to WIN! We are a class C school compeating against other c and b schools. We are racing in Michigan at crystal mountain, If ya know where that is. they usually set a GS course that if you score a 20 second run you are pretty decent. and a sl course 26seconds or so....... its not a hugh hill but its decent for michigan
Yeah, 375 vertical feet is not alot to work with.

What are you on for freeskiing, or will these be your only pair of skis? You might want pick up a pair of 70-75mm waist midfats, with about a 15-17m sidecut, around 175 cm. You could run gates on those ok, but still freeski on them.
post #37 of 37
I'm going to vouch for slaloms one more time. My high school GS is also around the 21-23 second range for the better racers , depending on conditions. The skill level is varied...there are some first timers and there is usually one racer per year who will go on to Division 1. Last year my teammate used 156cm Fischer Race Stock slaloms and recieved an honorable mention for all-league, which means an overall rank of 10th or better out of a varsity field of around 50. What I am saying here is that on short GS courses, slaloms DO work!!! Plus, for a beginner they are much easier to use than a GS. And if you want to be anywhere near competitive in slalom, you need slalom skis. Ever tried to ski slalom on a GS ski? It doesn't work! You absolutely have to have the quick radius.

By getting a pair of slaloms first, then you can buy GS skis later and still have dedicated slaloms. It's definately the way to do it.
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