Originally Posted by L7
Well first off when going to the Bureau of Justice stats web page I picked Portland Police Dept and found 2002 saw 20 homicides to NYPD's 587 homicides. In 2001 Portland PD had 21 homicides to NYPD's 714. Obviously NY's PD oversees a larger population but is it 30 times the size of Portland PD's populace? At any rate it's doubtful your statement can stand up to the 'by far safest by any standard'. This of course is just one measure to judge by and one other city in the US. Both were the first I chose. So respectfully I guess I have to call bullsh*t.
I have seen many blind skiers and their seeing eye Guides. They do exist and generally do wear signs. You wouldn't 'zone out' on seeing that sign and bean them would you? Afterall it's something you claim to do regularly enough to be a habit and I'm not sure I buy how you adjust that habit in special cases.
There are many valid reasons to be leaning forward on the chair. Some I have already mentioned but how about pushing or holding a child back into the seat to get them settled? Wiping snow out from under your butt to prevent sliding out of the seat not to mention soaked butt. Come to think of it if I happened to be wiping snow from under me and at the same time 'accidently' yet firmly nailing someone with my elbow in their ribs would that then be their fault because they didn't anticipate me doing it and give me enough room? How about pushing yourfeet ahead to prevent the chair pinching on the boot tops?
Have I been hit, yes. Does it happen often, no. Are there a lot of times I avoid it happening despite other people's best efforts to nail me, you bet. I suppose if I went to your hill I could expect I'd have to adjust to your 'culture'. I'm really not thinking I'll bother. So maybe when coming to other hills you think about adjusting to this culture. In Canada we at least give a warining. Come to think of it a lot of the culprits I've encountered are likely Europeans. Mind you a lot of Europeans also like to ignore our liftline procedures and just hammer through as they do on their home hills. Would you tolerate that or expect them to conform to your culture?
Do what you want at your hill or in your 'safe city' but please don't bother bringing it here.
Sorry, I forgot to add the word "big" in front of the word "city"http://lorrypatton.com/travel/news/4121-43.html
And you are making all kinds of false assumptions.
I never claimed that blind skiers don't exist, just that theyre rare enough so I have never encountered them and likely won't (and plus they have the sign), making it a bad example of negative side effects due to my lack of courtesy .
And I never claimed to hit people on the head regularly. It happens only once in a while, as an ACCIDENT. I'm not trying to hit people. I'm just opposed to being expected to say "courteous" things all the time, even when I'm not in the mood to say them. But if there's a child on the chair, I'm extra careful. After all, we all need to "think of the children."
And all the adjustments (eg wiping snow off ass) that you make should be made after the bar is down. Standard lift practice tells you that the moment shortly after the lift exits the loading area (after clearing the first sheave) is dedicated to bar lowering. You should expect it and prepare for it, not be dillydallying with your butt.
Elbowing someone in the ribs when fidgeting with your butt is not standard practice at the lifts and should not be expected by the person next to you. Bar lowering is standard practice (because it says so right on the signs) and should be expected. And do you say "Excuse me, but I'm adjusting the position of my ass and may elbow you forcefully in the ribs while doing so. Please shift laterally so as to provide my elbow with the proper clearance" every time you scratch your ass? If you don't are you being "uncourteous?"
And no, I would not expect Europeans to conform to my culture, and I would not want them to expect me to conform to theirs. Everyone should be able to keep their own culture--thats my whole point. If you come to "my" hill, you don't have to adjust to my culture and be rude--you can be as courteous as you like. Just don't expect me to do the same. Be tolerant of the cultural behavior of others (even if it is "rude" and disagrees with yours), not intolerant, as you seem to be. As long as the Europeans follow the posted rules of the ski area, and all local, state, and federal laws, I don't care what else they do or what culture they bring. Thats what diversity and freedom is all about.
And don't tell me where I can or cannot bring my behavior. This country gives me the freedom to bring it whereever I want. You act as if you own "your" ski resorts. Living in proximity to something does not confer ownership. "Your" ski resort is just as much "mine" as it is "yours." Again, you can tell yourself where YOU should go, but you have no jurisdiction over others.