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Why don't binding manufacturers give templates?!

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
I've mounted many XC bindings, some with a jig and some with templates an a drill press. I bought my new Salomon bindings thinking I might be able to mount those myself, but they come with no placement instructions or templates whatsoever!

The physical installation looks identical to XC (touring, BC) bindings, and boot size adjustment is trivial.

I doubt if anyone here can/will give me instructions on where to place Salomon s810 bindings on some 170cm Volant Machete Soul's, but if you can it would be appreciated. No ski shops in the area will have thses mounted for skiing on Sunday.

Maybe a pdf template? Anyone near Albany have the proper jig?
post #2 of 19
There was a jig on Ebay. I personally would NOT mount ANY binding w/o a jig. Template...schemplate. If that toe or heel is off even 1 deg, you are talking some serious pre or non release concerns.

I assume you saved money buy buying the skis or bindings "on-line", now are are going to pay for either a rush or by not being able to ski Sunday.

I am very surprised that there is NO shop in your area that cannot "rush" a mont even w/ an extra charge.
post #3 of 19
I agree with Phil. It's amazing what a 12 pack will accomplish for those "rush" needs. If the front man isn't helping, ask to speak to the guy that will be doing te install. you may pay a little more, but it's not like it takes a lotof time to mount/test a pair of bindings. The only thing would be to make sure they had the bit for the Volant (if the soul's don't have the plate that is)
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
No, I actually picked up the bindings at a local store that's closing, so they were very cheap. I was planning on picking them up and having them mounted at my normal ski shop, but will save about $30 even with a "normal" binding mounting fee.

Fedex dropped the ball and took 8 days to get the skis here. They're getting delivered today. If I got them when they told me they would come in (the 12th) they'd be at the shop getting mounted right now. I've had the bindings for a week.

The one place that said they could do it wants to charge $60. Bleh.

One more weekend on my Atomics
post #5 of 19
If you are going Sunday...bring em along woth you. Maybe the "base shop" could mount them. Its worth the shop. Oh, and yeah..a 6/12 pack goes along way
post #6 of 19
A 6or 12 Pack of the techs favorite beer will get those skis done in less then 20 mins. This also happens if your a beautiful Blond in a tight ski outfit.
post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 
It's warm enough that it might be reasonable to get one of my well-endowed female friends to walk in with a skimpy tank top on and ask very, very nicely... hmm...

Will call around again. Thanks guys.
post #8 of 19
and of course if you're a beautiful blonde in a tight ski outfit with a 12 pack, sky's the limit...Oh the memories
post #9 of 19
re: the original question...because the motto of most USA citizens is "i'll sue" or "so sue me"
of course no one on epic is like that, but...
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by jonnythan
I bought my new Salomon bindings thinking I might be able to mount those myself, but they come with no placement instructions or templates whatsoever!
Waxman's right...the manufacturers' lawyers advise them not to encourage the consumer to touch their bindings at all.

Heck, every binding manufactuer, and most of the ski manufacturers have huge lawsuits pending against them right now for equipment that was mounted by a certified tech. Could you imagine the frenzy if consumers were actually encouraged to perform their own binding work.

EDIT: I said more than I should have.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by troutman
Waxman's right...the manufacturers' lawyers advise them not to encourage the consumer to touch their bindings at all.

It's out of control. A major ski manufacturer was recently sued because an admitted "intermediate" crashed while skiing KT-22 at Squaw. Serious injuries resulted, but they were far from critical. Plaintiff is fine today.

Plaintiff sued manufacturer, and the shop that sold him the ski, on the grounds that the ski caused the crash. He won. Never mind the fact that I know talented skiers that shy away from KT-22...but this "intermediate" shouldn't be held accountable for his own poor decision making...

Sorry for the rant.
I could'nt agree more, I know a shop that this very thing is happening to currently, same run even.
post #12 of 19
i saw a comedian the other day who said something along the lines of:
let Darwin take effect, remove warning labels from everything...
post #13 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by waxman
i saw a comedian the other day who said something along the lines of:
let Darwin take effect, remove warning labels from everything...
I like that I think I am going to use it.
post #14 of 19
Two reasons they don't want you to mount your own bindings: (i) they think you'll screw it up, which is probably a fair assumption for the majority of the population, even if it isn't for you and (ii) ski shops sell bindings ... if you're a manufacturer and stay in good with them, they're more likely to sell your bindings.

While I suppose fear of lawsuits may play a role, it's not all that clear. If anything, mis-installation by the injured guy (or the possiblity of mis-installation) would give them a defense they wouldn't have if the bindings were installed by a shop (which is broadly indemnified by the manufacturer).

Fear of mad customers with messed-up skis and bindings that don't close properly is a motivation too.
post #15 of 19
@ my shop we would mount for a 12 pack. Heck even a 6 pack
post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
Well I ended up calling all the shops again and talked ot one guy who not only said getting them done by tomorrow night is easy enough, he quoted me a price $20 less than the other guy I had talked to from the same shop.

Works for me. Thanks guys.
post #17 of 19
hot girls who bring beer get the fastest service of all...and usually get invited to stay and drink the beer with the tech...

for us guys, it's amazing what a little calling around can accomplish!
post #18 of 19
I'm calling around till I find a hot girl with cold beer.
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by jstraw
I'm calling around till I find a hot girl with cold beer.
i'm not giving you her number.
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