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My first footbeds

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
Going to see Gordon on Monday. Also picking out new boots this weekend. Any words of wisdom?
post #2 of 25
Just remember if something doesn't feel right tell him right away , what you leave the shop with is what you'll be skiing on.
Things can be fixed later but it's better to be right from the start , one problem with fitting is it tends to get rushed by some people . Tell the fitter everything about your feet eg. cramps, pains etc.
Take your ski socks along with your boots and be prepared to spend some time there.
post #3 of 25
A very very small percentage of people can put a pair of boots on and instantly be comfortable. Wear em' and plan on doing some work (footbeds etc.) after you have broken them. The trick is get the boot that matched your ability and is at the same time comfortable. You don't want to buy boots every year so take your time. Good luck
post #4 of 25
Since Lisamarie is getting boots and footbeds at the same time from a competent boot fitter, my only suggestion is to make sure she's paying a fair price. Most shops need to charge somewhat closer to retail for boots than for other hard goods since boot fitters are the most expensive employees in the shop. There's just not all that much profit in boots. It's still only mid-October so I'd play the "I'm a rapidly improving frequent customer and my husband buys his gear here, too" card. It helps if you're making your pitch about the boots to the shop owner/manager while you're fondling a $1,000 ski outfit where they have a huge markup.

Just remember the 11th commandment....
"Thou shalt not pay retail"
post #5 of 25
When it comes to size, err on a smaller side. It is much easier to stretch the the liner (and shell if necessary) where the pressure points are than working it the other way round.

post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 
Great information! Good point about size. My first boots, Technicas, may have been a tad too big.

The reason I finally chose Gordon Hay, over all the highly excellent suggestions from my other thread, is that we have a really good relationship with the store. I mentioned this in another thread, but they would not sell me a pair of Rossi cut 10/4s, that were about 140 cm, because they thought I would not improve in them. They actually told me to go to a different store to find a ski that they had sold out of.

Thanks, everybody!
post #7 of 25
speaking of first footbeds, I am going to try to get to the masterfit University clinic in Tahoe. (associate course). I already have good footbeds but I might be making my next footbeds myself [img]smile.gif[/img]
I figure if I'm going to think about teaching I might as well know the most I can about fitting and "alignment" as well. Wish me luck !
post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 
Ah!!!! So we finally convinced you to "think" about teaching! Good luck! I find that some of my better instructors were the ones that understood the relationship between gear and technique. Thats how I found out I was probably in the wrong boots! :
post #9 of 25
Geoff is correct... I played the "my girlfriend just bought a pair of boots here" card (actually true) and got 20% off my footbeds.
post #10 of 25
Thread Starter 
We've pretty much bought all our stuff at this store, with the exception of my skis. They have also followed me from the begining of my skiing, starting from snowshoes so I could accompany my husband and NOT ski, form Green trails to Blue.

BTW, James, did you make any decisions about your footbeds yet?
post #11 of 25
Thread Starter 
Just got my boots! Salomon Wave 7W. Feel snug without that bone crushing sensation I get from Langes or Nordicas.

Interesting, on Salomon's website, they described these as being for "performance skiers who ski on and off piste". Not me. I thought I should go with the Performas. The guys at the shop felt I would outgrow them in a year.

In addition to the footbeds, they think that Gordon may have to stretch the toe box a bit.
post #12 of 25

tell me more...I just set up an appointment with GMOL this morning....I was thinking about salomons...XWave, maybe, thinking about the Xwave9's. Do yours have that 3d buckle and does it work?

I also got the "bonecrushing" experience from Langes, although my heel swims...
post #13 of 25
Thread Starter 
Yes it has the 3d buckle. Its hard to give feedback without having skied in them. My guess is that if I have the 7s, the 9s would be good for you. What kind of boots do you he now?
post #14 of 25

Good luck with the boots. Now do the real smart thing and spend hours in the boots before you get on snow. Each time I got new boots I spent weeks around the house (my wife even took a picture of me vacuuming). I put down a pair of skis in the living room and spent a fair bit of time watching TV while rocking back and forth. First day spent on snow have always been pain free.
post #15 of 25
Hey Lisamer:

Being a newcomer to this whole ski equipment thing, I used a thoroughly unapproved method for buying my new boots/footbeds:

I found a pair of four-year-old, but never used Rossi "Mountain Vipers" on e-bay for $80... (I had rented pair at Tremblant in '99, and absolutely loved them). They arrived a few days later and THEY FIT PERFECTLY!

Since I saved so much money on the actual boot, I went to Surefoot on the Upper East Side and upgraded to a nice pair of Technica liners, then went to Princeton Ski Shop and had them do the foot beds. They feel great, and the whole kit & kaboodle cost me about $210.

I wore them around the house for a couple hours last night, and they feel wonderful (and have a great color scheme -- cherry red & black).

I know that I committed a cardinal sin by buying boots over the internet, but I've always had pretty easy feet.
post #16 of 25
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LindaA:

tell me more...I just set up an appointment with GMOL this morning....I was thinking about salomons...XWave, maybe, thinking about the Xwave9's. Do yours have that 3d buckle and does it work?

I also got the "bonecrushing" experience from Langes, although my heel swims...

I think you really need to go into a good boot fitter with a completely open mind. After they've done the Q&A about your skiing style and had the chance to look at your foot, they'll be able to narrow it down to two or three models that are most likely to fit your foot shape. Lock all those ski magazine equipment reviews away so you don't get brainwashed by all the marketing hype.

It'll be interesting to see what GMOL thinks about the boots you're skiing in now. If you have a "bonecrushing" problem but have a sloppy fit in the heel with a Lange, I'd bet that the boot is too big for you. To keep from floating around in it, you over-buckle the lower buckles and mash your foot. I can ski with my bottom buckles completely undone and not notice any particular slop. If the boots fit properly, any 4 buckle system should work for you and you won't do much with the bottom two. Mine always are uncomfortably snug on the lower foot in the shop. It takes several ski days to pack out the liners. Beware that comfy in the shop might mean sloppy fit 5 ski days later. It's always easier to make a shell bigger than smaller. That's why you buy from a good boot fitter, not from a clerk in a shopping mall ski shop.

Good luck.
post #17 of 25
Thread Starter 
James, if it works, hey, why not? Geoff you make some excellent points about boot fit in the shop. My Technicas felt like bedroom slippers, but weren't all that functional. I bought them after my third time skiing, and presented myself as someone who would never ski anything harder than the easiest greens. Ironically, at the time, I found the Salomon's uncomfortable, but they may have been a better choice.

Interesting comment about the Ski Magazine reviews. As I mentioned, based on their reviews, I would have thought the xwaves were to high end for me.

When I see Gordon tomorrow, I'll mention yours and Jonathan's name. Hope that gives you "brownie points" for future purchases.
post #18 of 25
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>When I see Gordon tomorrow, I'll mention yours and Jonathan's name. Hope that gives you "brownie points" for future purchases.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Wouldn't do much good for me. I buy all my gear at Killington and limit it to two shops who treat me well. One of 'em is The Basin where Gordon used to be the best boot fitter. Long term relationships with shops are worth their weight in gold when it comes to getting service. Shop owners know who their repeat customers are and they'll do things for you that just wouldn't happen for some John Q. Public walking in off the street.
post #19 of 25
the question you asked about the 3D buckle, i'll try to answer for ya. I've skied with it for 2 seasons both on normal position and 45 degree position. The boot i've had experience with is the salomon performa course. I think it was the first boot with the 3D buckle and am pretty sure it's been unchanged as to what angle it adjusts to.

The standard position allows the heel to swim around quite a bit even with a good fit. It also puts alot of unwanted pressure on the instep like most other boots do. So, the vein that runs through the instep is cut off from normal circulation, foot goes numb, gets cold and so on and so forth :|

With the 3D buckle in the 45degree position, ALOT of the pressure on the instep is aleviated. As a matter of fact, you can actually crank down on the instep buckle about 1-2 teeth more than the original setting and still not feel any discomfort. Another big plus is that your heel is pretty much locked down in place. There's still gonna be some minor play, but that can't be prevented no matter how tight the boot is. In terms of technique improvement, i'm not sure if it's a mind trick, but there seems to be better response with the 3D buckle pulled back since there's less slop.

All in all it's a pretty good system and I think one of the better innovations Salomon's come up with (...did any of the older boots use this thing?). Comfort goes up, fit goes up, and skiing performance goes up too [img]smile.gif[/img]

We've been able to fit a few ppl in the shop who've had instep problems into the Waves, and they haven't had any complaints after using the 3d buckle. I think you might like it [img]smile.gif[/img]

post #20 of 25
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Thanks! That helped me too! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #21 of 25
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lisamarie:
Any words of wisdom?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Early to bed & early to rise amkes a man healthy, wealthy & wise.
post #22 of 25
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Just saw Gordon. Awesome human being. Was able to predict how I ski just from looking at my feet. From years of doing aerobics, I've got some funky problems with the transverse arch of my feet, especially on the right which has bunion. He said I probably have trouble getting the skis on edge. This is true.

He thinks that aerobic shoes, which are poorly made, can be part of the problem. In the spring, he wants to meet with me to talk about some of the foot problems I see in classes. Supposedly, now that spinning has become popular, there are a whole new set of foot issues.
post #23 of 25
Great stuff..Lisamarie & whenever we get the NewEngland Bear Invasion happenning....we ALL are gonna be having FUN!
Heed GeoffD's words about going into the shop with an open mind!...remember that ski boots are pretty generic in fit...hardly what we humans have for feet... Be patient in getting that great fit, but you'll know it when you find it....your skiing will turn around 180deg.
post #24 of 25
steve, definitely with an open mind, im really looking forward to working with Greg at GMOL and hopefully FINALLY having boots that fit...gonna mention the great suggestions ive got from you & melloBoy and everyone else but Im really going to give him free reign or artistic licence or whatever he needs to do to get the best fit i can. No More numb toes and aching feet. (but, if it is going to turn my skiing around 180 degrees, doesn't that mean I'll be skiing uphill?)

Lisamarie, funny you should say that abou aerobic shoes...a previous boot fitter of mine brought up the fact that in my job, im in business attire and heels all day, everyday. but it seemed when I went on vaca, and was wearing nothing but my NB crosstrainers, the fit on the weekend was actually feet hurt MORE.

(edited for horrible typing.)

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ October 23, 2001 05:06 PM: Message edited 1 time, by LindaA ]</font>
post #25 of 25
Thread Starter 
Linda, hold that thought. In the spring, Gordon wants to do some serious work with athletic shoe companies on redesigning, so he aske dme to give him feedback from the fitness industry.
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