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What length are you racing GS on??

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I have been out of racing for a few years but am thinking of getting involved in some masters racing. Last I raced I have a pair of 200 Volkl p30s but have recently picked up a few sets second hand. I currently have a set of the 02 race stock Fischers in 188 as well as last years race stock Elan GSX in 188. I like both of them but was thinking I might like an even shorter set. I am 6'1" and about 195 by the way. How do you all think a 180-185 length would work out for me? Thanks!
post #2 of 17
186 when I train with te ski club FIS racers, 181 when I run the Masters courses. Both are 21.5m radius.
post #3 of 17
What type of racing specifically? How are the courses typically set? My experience is that many Masters and "Club" GS race courses are on the tighter/shorter side (I think this is because many people have never seen a real FIS course).

It seems as though Betaracer knows this too. I use 185 for a "real" GS course ... but I don't get the chance to do that anymore. I'm down to 175 for anything else - with a cheater 16m radius it makes up for an age gap.
post #4 of 17
Since the original poster says he is

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Originally Posted by kestner9
thinking of getting involved in some masters racing
he may not now exactly what the courses are going to be like.

I tend to think he may well be right when he says:

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Originally Posted by kestner9
I might like an even shorter set
The 180-185 range is reasonable though, as already noted, you might want to go even shorter.
post #5 of 17
I use a slalom ski in 174 for both SL and GS, which allows for a lot more versatality all over the mountain.
post #6 of 17
How serious do you plan on getting, and how serious were you in the past? If you were FIS level several years ago and plan to really get back into it (as much as us beer league/masters can), including some training, then I'd say 180 to 185. If you are talking closer to a Nastar type of thing on a shorter, flatter hill, you could go as short as 170.

A good middle range for most club racers is a 175 or so 6 star, SX11 or RX8 type ski (16-18m radius). With one of those, you get a lot of versatility out of the course too.
post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the responses guys. I was a serious racer before but now I only intend to do beer league/masters racing. Even if I could easily go shorter than 180 as some of you suggest I doubt I will... just because I am still a little old school Not that it matters for me at the moment but anything plus 180 and plus 21 is FIS legal right?


As a seperate question, what do people put on for plates these days? I was a derbyflex/deflex fan in the past. I like the plates on the Fischer WC race skis but didn't think the marker piston plate was that great. So what do you all use these days?
post #8 of 17
For masters:

Am 6'0" 190-195Lbs.

180 GS 18M turn Radius

164cm Slalom 11-12M turn radius
post #9 of 17
Oooh man – I never got along with those Derbyflex. All they seemed to do for me was make the ski outrageously heavy and dead. Good for speed events depending on the ski, but not GS. But that’s just me.

Back to the skis - For reference I’m 6’2” and anywhere from 205 to 220 depending on how much time free I have. I’m racing just about any and every GS I run on a pair of 175 Volkl 6*. Of course this doesn’t mean much to you unless I also state that I’m very competitive – both in age and overall.

The 6* comes with a piston Marker 1400 comp that is as high off the ski as anything else I’ve seen out there. I absolutely love it, but obviously can’t compare to no riser as that’s not an option.

My real GS boards, which don’t get much use unless it’s what the locals call a SG, are 188cm Volkl P40’s with Energyrail. Not quite as high as the 6* and no damping, but up there just the same.

I am definitely not into the newest Marker piston that comes half way up the ski. I can’t imagine the WC guys are on that …

I’ve searched but haven’t found a thread on “the length what you used to ride say 10 years ago versus what you ride now.”

For me it was:
GS: 207-210
SL: 203-207
Powder: see GS
All Mtn: see GS
post #10 of 17
I'm running 180 Fischer WC RC4s in USCSA Collegiate Racing right now.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by Ziegler42
I'm running 180 Fischer WC RC4s in USCSA Collegiate Racing right now.
What size All Mtn & Powder skis ?
post #12 of 17
I'm also a USCSA college racer... 180 rossi race stock GS skis, 165 rossi race stock slaloms. 174 k2 axis XP all mt. skis.

depending on the set of the courses, you might well be better off with an 18 meter radius than a 21m radius... if you get a high end race ski, off the shelf or race stock, stability shouldn't be a problem...
post #13 of 17
I'm confused here. Why would you want a longer ski for a more technical (FIS, USCSA, etc) giant slalom and a shorter ski for a less technichal (Nastar type) giant slalom?

My experience with Nastar type giant slaloms is that they are pretty flat and you can tuck 3/4 of the course. Wouldn't you want a longer ski that carries its speed slightly better for the Nastar course and a slightly shorter ski to better negotiate the more advanced courses?

Am I confused? Are beer league courses actually really tight in places since most people just casually slide through them?
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by gbubnis
I'm confused here. Why would you want a longer ski for a more technical (FIS, USCSA, etc) giant slalom and a shorter ski for a less technichal (Nastar type) giant slalom? ...
It has to do with the vertical spacing of the gates and the resulting speed. FIS/USSA = faster, hence longer skis.
post #15 of 17
As the courses get tougher, (higher speeds, steeper terrain), you need more ski for stability.

On a nastar course, the courses are slower and you don't need the added length for stability. Also, less experienced racers can get a true carve out of a 18m ski more easily than they could with a 21+.

Most race stock GS's have a 21-22 meter radius in the 180 length, but as you go longer the radius increases. I'd say most World Cup guys are on 193 or so with a radius of 24 to 26 meters. That's just an edjucated guess, but I'd bet that some people reading this could back me up..... (betaracer?, songtfa?, checkracer?)
post #16 of 17
I'm 5'9, 150lbs and skiing 183cm Atomic GS:11 race stock (world cup plate, 21+ radius) for high school racing. They're really fast and not impossible to ski but require much more work than my old Atomics, a 176cm retail model, although they had a 21m radius also. For your size and experience I would say that you would do fine on a low 180 GS ski.
post #17 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by gbubnis
I'm confused here. Why would you want a longer ski for a more technical (FIS, USCSA, etc) giant slalom and a shorter ski for a less technichal (Nastar type) giant slalom?

My experience with Nastar type giant slaloms is that they are pretty flat and you can tuck 3/4 of the course. Wouldn't you want a longer ski that carries its speed slightly better for the Nastar course and a slightly shorter ski to better negotiate the more advanced courses?

Am I confused? Are beer league courses actually really tight in places since most people just casually slide through them?
Nastar courses are typically flat, with easy turns at the top and bottom, and a couple of tight gates in the middle. A short ski works better in the tight gates, and doesn't hurt you much in the rest of the course.
I've heard most FIS racers are on 190's for GS, which is longer than the minimum. They must like the extra stability, and they must think that the longer length doesn't slow them down too much in the tight gates.

John
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