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Look p12 Jib or non-Jib?

post #1 of 9
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I've decided on a pair of Dynastar Troublemakers as my new ski based on a demo ride at Wolf Creek. The skis I rode were mounted with a Salomon 912 demo binding and I really liked the way they rode but am more inclined to go with a Look binding. Question is should I go with the P12 Jib or P12 Lifter? I spend most of my time in trees, powder and moguls with only occasional forays in to the park though I do like to jump a kicker here and there. Are the jib bindings strictly a park binding? Will I miss the risers on the jib binding? This will mostly be an all-mountain freeride ski for me.
post #2 of 9
Lifter, it is not a very high binding.
post #3 of 9
Both my kids (who are in their early 20s) ski on twin-tips for their all-mountain skis and they get bindings with lifters. The small lift helps improve the skis performance on groomed runs. I would get the lifter version.
post #4 of 9
I concur, go with the lifter. I mounted my Look bindings directly to my skis this year and after a few days of riding realized I just didn't like the feel so I remounted with a lifter. It would be great for strictly park or for strictly high speed straightlining, but if you plan on making any turns go with the lifter.
post #5 of 9
what does jib mean? Is there such an animal with both jib and lifter?
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Originally Posted by gwat
I concur, go with the lifter. I mounted my Look bindings directly to my skis this year and after a few days of riding realized I just didn't like the feel so I remounted with a lifter. It would be great for strictly park or for strictly high speed straightlining, but if you plan on making any turns go with the lifter.
When you remounted -- did you use the same holes ? If so, did you do add anything to the hole when remounting (glue, whatever) ?

I'm asking because I may be doing the same thing here shortly.

Thanks-
Karl
post #7 of 9
No, I redrilled. The lifters I used had the same hole pattern but offet the binding by 1cm from where it originally was.
Anyway, just use a couple drops of wood glue in the holes when you remount.
post #8 of 9
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Originally Posted by agent.5
what does jib mean? Is there such an animal with both jib and lifter?
No, the Jibs are P12s without a lifter. Standard P12s come with a lifter. The only way to have a lifter with the Jib is if you buy the lifter seperately.
post #9 of 9
Hey, good to hear you're riding the Troublemaker. I use mine mostly for off-trail skiing. I have the Look P12 Jib binding mounted with the lifter. I demoed the TM without the lifter and liked it. With or without a lifter, the P12 is a nice binding. It's my first Look binding and I really like it. When I decided to buy the TM's the shop took one look at me and just knew that I wasn't going to be using them in the park (I'm 55). They recommended that I go with a lifter for better carving. You will have to buy the lifter separately, but your ski shop should be able to find one to match the binding. I think the lifter helps performance on the groomers, but the TM was never intended to be a carver anyway (my K2 Axis X is better for that) I like the way the TM's handle off-trail, in fresh snow and in the trees. The 80mm waist really helps. But they're not too good for crud-bashing, though. Too flexy. Could use some beef. For crud and tracked-up powder I have my Pocket Rockets (or did have - my son swiped them. Oh well...) Happy skiing!
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