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Poll Results: Among men: Who's the greatest? (Women's poll coming...)

 
  • 0% (0)
    Phil Mahre
  • 0% (0)
    Billy Kidd
  • 20% (18)
    Jean-Claude Killy
  • 35% (31)
    Ingemar Stenmark
  • 2% (2)
    Franz Klammer
  • 12% (11)
    Hermann Maier
  • 4% (4)
    Bode Miller
  • 3% (3)
    Alberto Tomba
  • 3% (3)
    Trace Worthington
  • 18% (16)
    Other
88 Total Votes  
post #61 of 82
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ssh
C'mon. Ever see Killy try this? And look how well he's aged!
He's definitely aged better than Killy! He also looks like he's had a few facelifts. As far as the acrobatics, well, personally I prefer the circus for that.
post #62 of 82
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Originally Posted by jstraw
Based on his "palmeres," I'd say Killy is still the Eddy Merckx of Skiing. Miller may become the Armstrong but Armstrong can never surpass Merckx. On the other hand, there is nothing preventing Miller from surpassing anyone, since he's a non-specialist winning in every discipline in an era of specialists. He *can* become the best ever but he's nowhere near that yet.
Eddy Mercx himself seems to think a bit differently than you do on the subject of whether Armstrong ever could surpass Mercx. And the quote I'm recalling wasn't made in 2004, but rather 2003 at the end of the '03 TdF.
post #63 of 82
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This is like a Nicholas, Palmer, Woods debate. It was pretty easy to see that Woods was the best golfer of the day early in his career, but his ability to crush his peers year in and year out and take the biggest titles under pressure puts him at the all-time top in my opinion.
Jack Nicklaus easily was as dominant in his prime as Tiger Woods has been since he reached his. The great Bobby Jones said of a YOUNG Jack Nicklaus (who won the US Amateur in the late 50s or early 60s): "that man plays a game with which I am unfamiliar." Nicklaus was a destroyer, a man of towering mental strength who did many amazing things under pressure to win holes and/or tournaments. I doubt Tiger Woods ever will be half the golfer that Nicklaus was on natural courses of the type commonly used in the British Open. Tiger's game is a long PGA TPC-style course game. Nicklaus had a game almost as long (relative to his peers) as Tiger's yet also could play under adverse conditions better than almost any of his peers.

But that's just my opinion.
post #64 of 82
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh
Phil didn't really dominate in the early 80s. He was in the running, and was exception as a member of the US team, given its traditionally weak performance. Yes, he won the overall World Cup 3 times, but he wasn't really dominant, in my opinion.
I disagree! He was WAY ahead of Stenmark in '82 and '83, if less so in '81. Three World Cups in a row deserves at least one vote on this poll, doncha think?
post #65 of 82
Stenmark----great, no doubt, the only person who could carve on a straight sided 205, but you know, he actually did try downhill, trained at it bit and after a crash and a concusion, quit. He was the best technician, not the best skier.

Really the only two who do (did) things no one else could do and won in every event would be Killy and Bode. Killy is an obvious choice while Bode, well he is getting there but has a long way to go. What I love about Bode is that everyone thought he was a flake, and should quit trying to do everything. Actually he didn't want to be just as good as Tomba or Mahre, he wanted to be the best ever. I hope he makes it.

As for Plake and all the non racers, just dig up some footage of Killy free skiing. He was a cat on skis and could have done anything those guys do.
post #66 of 82
on the subject at hand, I agree with newfydog's last post regarding Bode Miller and regarding JC Killy. I've seen some of that old school footage of Killy freeskiing, don't recall what it was or where I saw it -- it was in my youth -- but I remember a very distinctly feline quality to his skiing, exceedingly agile and comfortable, playful and graceful. doubtless one of the very best.

as to current "freeskiers," their sport is too heavily influenced by extreme comp stuff like massive cliff drops with bomb crater survival landings. I prefer the more old school freeskiers like that little dude from Warren Miller's movies, Justin Patinode (sp?), who ripped graceful linked drops down cascade cliffs in one of Miller's movies that I can't name right now... :
post #67 of 82
Stein's front flip was a beautiful sight. Honorable mention: the one-legged skier who broke 100 mph on a speed course. One leg, many balls.
post #68 of 82
I'm with SONGFTA

Girardelli

Courage to compete in all racing disciplines, drive to excel, dedication to the sport.
post #69 of 82
As a discussion, great topic.
As a serious poll, sorry, it´s rather silly.
The more recent names are more in memories of recent voters.
Some older giants had more impact on skiing as such (Schneider, Seelos) than any racer on the list here.
How compare?
post #70 of 82

Bump for a new take on an old talk, from the X-Games 

10 Best American Freeskiers of All Time

post #71 of 82
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 

Bump for a new take on an old talk, from the X-Games 

10 Best American Freeskiers of All Time

 

Good list, and I don't disagree, but we need to include our friends from Kanuckistan on the list too. Watch a Matchstick movie and enjoy all those who (seemingly) can't not put "eh" at the end of a sentence, but can tame a real mountain (not just a prepared course), with style and grace.

 

And change the title of the thread to best ski RACER of all time.

post #72 of 82

These polls are like who is the greatest guitarist.... To truly have a top 10 "OVERALL" you have to address all aspects of skiing, not just competition results or freestyle/park/hucking ability. There are plenty of famous skiers and racers who are actually marginal free-skiers, one of the best skiers I ever saw was an Austrian B/C teamer Eric Wolf. Then you have issues with time periods. IF Killy was 27 now could he hang with Ted Ligety (who can truly freeski)? Killy was a staggeringly good free skier while watching Bode Miller freeski is truly painful. Also there are skiers who have limited or no race experience but are magnificent all mountain skiers with amazing skiing, technical and mountain knowledge (Martin Volken, Stephane Dan, Mike Hattrup, Doug Coombs etc...). So for whatever that is all worth here is my top 10.

 

1. Killy

2. Stenmark

3. Jon Olsson

4. Darren Rahlves

5. Candide Thovex

 

1. Julia Mancuso

2. Janica Kostelic

3. Wendy Fisher

4. Rosi Mittermeir

5. Ingrid Backstrom

post #73 of 82
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Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post


OK, let's think about this. Racing is a quantafiable measure, but how applicable is it to everyday skiing? If you don't believe me, just look at how many posts are on this forum start with "I had a great day powder skiing" vs "I had a great day ski racing..."


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Two words to chew on... Darren. Rahlves.
post #74 of 82
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post


OK, let's think about this. Racing is a quantafiable measure, but how applicable is it to everyday skiing? If you don't believe me, just look at how many posts are on this forum start with "I had a great day powder skiing" vs "I had a great day ski racing..."


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Two words to chew on... Darren. Rahlves.

And not too many nicer guys than Daron either. 

post #75 of 82

I dunno, there are so many ways to be an awesome skier it's like comparing apples and piston rings. 

 

I'll just say my hat's off to anyone who can do any of those styles better'n me. 

 

(Mebbe that's why I can't find my hat.)

post #76 of 82

Annnnnd, did anyone notice that the article that I linked says (specifically) Freeskier? 

10 Best American Freeskiers of All Time

post #77 of 82
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

Annnnnd, did anyone notice that the article that I linked says (specifically) Freeskier? 
10 Best American Freeskiers of All Time

And only 'American' free skiers... smile.gif
post #78 of 82

Umm... Doug Coombs? 

post #79 of 82

Ummm, me!!!! I googled myself and there I was. woo hoo -  All it took was search engine optimization ;)

post #80 of 82

To only include modern skiers seems kind of silly.  

 

Killy deserves a spot on the list; he could lay down a line on the big hill in pretty much any conditions.  

Stein Erickson should be considered too; Olympic gold, throwing front flips in the 40's, and the definition of good skiing for a long time.

 

These are just a couple of easy ones, there have always been great skiers. This is just too subjective.

post #81 of 82

I don't see Chaos on anybody's list.  I was sure someone would like him.

 

He's not on mine either.

post #82 of 82

As others have stated, these list are probably "most accomplished"

 

My #1 is -- Shane McConkey -- he dominated every aspect of the sport. Racing, Moguls, Big Mountain... the guy also basically invented a turn type. I mean I love Bode as much as the next guy, grew up skiing in the east and have had him spank the $hit out of me as a forerunner in NHARA races... Bode probably qualifies as most athletic skier of all time. That dude could have been pro in basically every sport -- soccer to bowling. 

 

I would also put Michael Von Gruenigen, and Coombs right up there -- those guys are/were true artists -- the type of skiing that one can only dream of. 

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