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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Hello all...This is my first post although I have been reading this forum for awhile.I am 43yo male...6'1" 223pds...I skied for many years(20)but was away from the sport for the last 7 years.I am now skiing again but my equipment is ancient...fischer turbos in 195cm....and desperatly need to get some new skis.I ski mostly in the east with a once a year trip out west..roughly15 to 20 days total a year.I used to be somewhere between advance and expert but now I am rusty..this winter i was able to demosome RX6and RX8 Fischers and a pair of atomic C9 puls..all in 170cm..and liked all of them.Well I liked the rx8 the best.The problem is there is a huge price differance between the top(RX8) and the bottom(C9).Would it be worth it to jump on the fischers even though I feel I am a year away from regaing my form or settle for th c9s until I am back in skiing form again.Any input would be greatly appreciated..Thank You
post #2 of 22
rinski123, welcome to EpicSki!

There is quite a range, there, but even mid-line skis today are quite good--certainly, IMO, comparable to high-end skis of only a few years ago.

That said, I think that skiing is a bit like riding a bike for those of us who have been skiing for a while (season 34 for me!). I recommend buying the higher-level ski and taking a lesson from a level III instructor to adjust your technique to it. You'll find that the skis will be there when you need them, but, especially with the RX8, won't beat you up as you're adjusting your technique.

They'll last you longer, too.

The RX8 has not changed in the past year (other than the graphics), so you may be able to find last year's at a lower cost--or find used from some of the folks on this site (as a shameless plug, I have considered selling my 03/04 RX8s).
post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thank you for such a quick reponse and the greeting..it wasnt so much spending the money as itis is it worth it to..i dont know if I am supposed to post prices on here but the C9s were half of the Rx8 and the Rx6 was in the middle....I would prefer to have some new stuff as it has been many moons since i treated myself to equipment(plus we just bought the wife new gear so she is in the mood to let me splurge).I was(am) a fairly agressive skier,but as I said, rusty.I know the C9 will let me readjust slower but I am afraid this time next year i will be back to shopping with those and would like to avoid that,,Thank you
post #4 of 22
I think such is likely, too. Only you can decide on the value equation. I'll try to help, though. FWIW, I'd make the choice be between the RX8 and the RX6 and drop the C:9s.
  1. How often do you think you'll be skiing?
  2. How often do you plan to buy new skis?
  3. How much effort will you put into developing a technique that works well with the newer ski designs?
  4. Will you take a lesson?
  5. How much are you willing to spend right now?
  6. What was the "fun factor" on each of the skis for you?
Hopefully, this will help you a bit! Note, however, that you can't really go wrong.
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thank you for your input.

1.Probably about 15 or so days a year
2. I was hoping to not have to by new skis every year or
or two but I realize needs and technology changes.
3.I am the type who is singleminded when i decide to do
something,so yes there will be effort.
4.Yes as many as it takes to get back to where I was.
5.Money is not as important as me being happy with the right
equipment,although I would prefer not to have to change skis
every year.
6.It was fun to just be skiing again,but to be short..The fischers were definitly much quicker and edgier?as it was a little icy..the atomics were fun also but seemed to be for a lazier ski style..i was on those towards the end of the day and after 5 or 6 hours I was a little tired...does everyone here consider the c9 skis that inferior to the fischers?again my last 2 sets of skis were Fischer so maybe I am subconciously biased..thanks again for the input
post #6 of 22
I agree with Steve, buy his RX8's and take a few lessons. IMO the C9 is not equal to the RX8. The C9 is a fine ski with in its class. The RX8 is a few steps above.
post #7 of 22
If you felt you could handle the RX8s, I'd suggesting getting those. You'll really love them.
post #8 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by rinski123
Thank you for your input.

1.Probably about 15 or so days a year
2. I was hoping to not have to by new skis every year or
or two but I realize needs and technology changes.
3.I am the type who is singleminded when i decide to do
something,so yes there will be effort.
4.Yes as many as it takes to get back to where I was.
5.Money is not as important as me being happy with the right
equipment,although I would prefer not to have to change skis
every year.
6.It was fun to just be skiing again,but to be short..The fischers were definitly much quicker and edgier?as it was a little icy..the atomics were fun also but seemed to be for a lazier ski style..i was on those towards the end of the day and after 5 or 6 hours I was a little tired...does everyone here consider the c9 skis that inferior to the fischers?again my last 2 sets of skis were Fischer so maybe I am subconciously biased..thanks again for the input
As a c-9 skier, I'm perhaps biased, but they are enormously sophisticated and versatile products, though best for East Coast skiing. The lower price has nothing to do with lower quality. Forget that idea. But if price is no object, I can't see why you consider a ski when you tried another (the Fischers) and found it worked for you better.

What I like about C-9's: great on ice, hold an edge like there's no tomorrow, even response to my input, very quiet and smooth when you go fast, turn fast and easy without being "choppy" like slalom skis. Can pull off longer turns and stay dead smooth to the end. Really versatile cold weather skis.

What I don't like: a bit stubborn in wet snow, certainly would prove useless out west except on hardpack.

One important caveat: all the skis you're talking about here have very narrow waists. Is that really what you want? Something with a fatter waist would give you more versatility for travelling and for spring/early season/off-piste conditions.
post #9 of 22
As a suggestion, i don't know where you are but the ski shops here in the northeast are going to be dumping skis shortly. The conditions are so bad that the stores are holding a ton of inventory.
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
I live in Florida so there are not to many shops close by..what i meant was money wasnt the most important thing but I dont know how long(or if) I can get my skills back up to previous level,so maybe it would be better to be on the C9s for a season or so and then see about the RX8 then(or whatever the version is at that time).Or maybe that is flawed thinking.Also with the wife and my daughter in the picture I probably will be limited in the amount of time I am off-piste..also except for probably one week out west a year most of my skiing will be eastern..By the way my wife chose the 05 Atomic B9 for women and she is happy with those skis ..Thanks
post #11 of 22
You may want to demo a few more different brands and styles of skis. Say a Dynastar Legend 4800/8000, Rossi B1/B2 or a Volkl AX3/724 just to get an idea of what other skis can do. I would also agree that starting off with a ski that can't grow with you means buying a new ski a year later. If you are planning on a ski trip this winter, why not demo a ski or two and not rush into it? I think you may surprise yourself after a few days of skiing and have the old muscle memory come back to you sooner rather than later. Good luck.
post #12 of 22
Get the RX8s.
Combining all costs, the cost of flights, lifts, lodging, etc., it's only a little more expensive total to be skiing on the RX8s, especially if you divide it out by 15 time skiing per year, and I think you will have more fun.
post #13 of 22
Thread Starter 
I guess I was more concerned that the Rx8 would be more difficult in the short-term as i both shake off the rust and change and adapt to new style/equipment as well as new(or older) body capabilities.I know in the long-term I would be happiest with the Rx8 but dont want to hinder the re-learning process...Thank you again
post #14 of 22
I am slightly less proficient a skier than you. On my short list of skis I looked at the Atomic c8 and the Fischer Rx6. I demoed (sp?) both...I truthfully could not feel much of a difference between the two. I thought both were significantly better than the skis I leased for teh season prior to this.

I ski 99% of the time on groomed blue runs in the east. I considered this and went with the general concensus on this board and from two good friends who are "ski crazy" and went with the Fischers. I think they were right. Lots of Atomics around, I think their publicity campaign and high profile racers puts them everyones "to ski list."

I am sure the Atomics are great skis, but I think you get more ski for the $$$ with Fischers (comparing similar ski to ski). I was told the Rx4 is more the equivelent to the c9...the Rx8 is in another catagory.

Look on line for last years model. Call Princeton ski shops (they have 3 or 4 stores in the NY area) 914-592-4141 in Elmsford, NY, or your local shops.

-Scott K.
post #15 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for your help...i guess the bottom line isnt so much the cost differance as it is the concern of trying to find the perfect ski that will not hinder regaining form and then will be good for at least a few years after that...also I notice some worries in posts pertaining to the 312 bindings on the atomics..are th R12 railflex bindings on the fischers more reliable?I couldnt believe how my old Look 77 bindings held up after years of use and abuse and never an accidental or premature release..thank you
post #16 of 22
Thread Starter 
An addition to my last post...Does anyone think based on this discussion that the RX6 might be the best compromise for the next year or so until I get back in shape?or just go with the RX8?..thank you
post #17 of 22
Honestly, you'd be fine with either the RX 6 or the 8's. Personally, I'd buy the 8's (which I own) because of your weight, and you'd do fine. I think the RX 8 is the most forgiving performance ski out there. I've skied both and I didn't see much difference other the the 8 is a little stiffer and a little more stable at speed. I have a friend who's a much better skier than I, and he bought the 6 because he prefers a softer ski to take into the bumps. It's a toss up, but don't let the 8 scare you off. Why buy twice for no reason?
post #18 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks coach..I guess its just concern about getting back into skiing shape and form and what will be the easiest and best ski to do that..also I demoed in 170cm and it seemed fine...should i try it longer or go with that First impression?..thank you
post #19 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by rinski123
Thanks coach..I guess its just concern about getting back into skiing shape and form and what will be the easiest and best ski to do that..Thank you
I understand.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think you'll find the RX 6 measureably easier than the RX 8. I'm relatively new to the sport myself and I've skied some unforgiving skis. I think as an improving skier these fit the bill because they don't punish your mistakes, but they reward your proper movements. You won't be unhappy either way you go.
post #20 of 22
Thread Starter 
Another question for any RX8 owners...Have any of you skied it longer than 170cm?I thought it was fine at that length but with my weight and height maybe I should demo 175or180?Opinions?..Thank you
post #21 of 22
I'm 6' 4" 250 and I ski the 180. You could get by with a 175 easy.
post #22 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks coach..I am not quite that big but see what you mean..I was just curious because most of the Rx8 posts I have read here say 170 or 165 is a long as most people are sking these...thank you
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