Thanks for the response, guys, I really appreciate any help I can get here, as custom footbeds are expensive and time on the snow is precious and I don't like to waste it!!
L7: Not sure about that wedge as you describe: there was a rounded heel piece that I rested my heel against, but it looked like more of a piece to hold my heel in place: I wouldn't call it a wedge. Could you please describe this heel wedge in more detail? I'm just not sure what you mean. There was a piece to rest the back of my foot against, but it wasn't a wedge: my heel was not heightened, meaning the scanning pins didn't come up at all in that area directly under the center of the heel.
I mentioned the complete discomfort and surprise about the arch height etc, but the "fitter" said I should ski it first, and "wait until my arch is strenghtened" (I thought, yeah right: that AINT gonna happen in a few days of skiing if ever: I've had flat feet all my life and I doubt my limited days skiing is going to correct my feet!).
Pierre: Other internet posts have mentioned that Surefoot can customize postings. I specifically read that postings can be softened. Also they can do it weighted, semiweighted or even unweighted apparently. My Surefoot visit was done what I would call semiweighted. I was standing but with BARELY any weight on the foot being scanned. The fitter said only to apply enough weight to hold the foot still.
You are spot on about the broomstick feel! First thing that comes to mind when I get these boots on is it feels like someone put rocks in my boots. More like pebbles I guess: hard, uncomfortable and LUMPY. The arch support JAMS up against my heel and arch area, then drops away suddenly again, it even feels like there is a pocket of air after that protruding arch support area, hence the "lumpy" feel: not smooth at all. It doesn't feel like support, but rather protruding areas of aggravation! I am aware though that perhaps I need to give it more time.
SKI_STEEP: My SHORT SO FAR experience of surefoot was I wouldn't recomend it for flat feet, HOWEVER this could totally be user error. I was not in anyway impressed with the person doing it for me at all. No explanations: no talk about my feet and what type they were:I have no idea if they pronate orr anything, etc etc, he even seemed a little suprised that I wanted to try them on when they were done.
HOWEVER I do wonder if my feet had been placed differently, the result might be really good: For comfort I wonder if I had been fully weighted it would be comfortable for my flat feet. Of course then it would't be necessarily in the "correct" position: "Neautral" as they call it.
I can't see how the "neautral" position when forming footbeds would ever be comfortable for us flatfooters.
EddyMac: where is the surefoot store that you use? (You mention it's a really good one). I am actually feeling it might be the "fitter" not so much the system. My opinion of Surefoot is something I am still trying to keep unbiased, as it's very early days. Softer materials sounds like a good idea, as does working on that arch area. Again though, grinding might produce unwanted movement so a different original shape in the new footbed might be preferrable.,
One thing I noticed is that with my left foor, he positioned it and scanned it when my left leg was BEHIND the foot, meaning my knee was BEHIND my foot, kind of stretched out if you will. My RIGHT scna however was entirely different: my RIGHT knee was OVER my toes, more in a skiing type position. THis raised doubts in my mind already, as when you move your knee back and forth over your foot it's my feeling that the shape of your sole changes. I asked him about this and he simply said I have different shaped feet, as do most people. I still wonder about that knee position however.
L7, GOLFBALLS!! Yeah thats it, it feels like golfballs!!! OUCH!!!.
Given your comments it looks like I need to ski on it more. Its awful as it feels like wasting time on the slopes (I dont get to ski much at all) but it seems I've got to give it more time.
When I did go skiing on the weekend, I tried my normal (footfix inserts) insoles first, then swapped them for the Surefoot halfway through the day. Yep, it felt like golfballs, veryuncomfortable, and my skiing instantly went extremely sloppy. It was much harder to control the skiis but I kept with it to see if it would get better. It did get a bit better but it is difficult to ski with the jamming pain protruding into my "arch". However I respect L7s comments and will give it more time. I guess.
L7 are you a fitter?
Could someone with experience comment on my thought that I can't see how the "neautral" position when forming footbeds would ever be comfortable for us flatfooters.
[ February 01, 2004, 08:49 PM: Message edited by: Snowbear ]