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Nordica W 12 or Salomon X-Wave 9.0?

post #1 of 19
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Does anyone have an opinion between these two boots. They both fit about the same, and are about the same cost. I can not find any reviews of these boots. Please help.

In case it matters, I have a fairly narrow ankle, squared off toes and a relatively high instep. As mentioned about, both of these boots seem to accomodate these needs (whereas my previous Technica's were terrible).
post #2 of 19
Did you shell fit them? If so, how closely did the shell come to your ankle/heel? My old XWave 10s had a very large heel pocket in the shell that was filled by the liner, but packed out over time to make the boot pretty sloppy. Of course, I'm in Tecnicas and really like them, so clearly YMMV.
post #3 of 19
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Originally posted by debner:
Does anyone have an opinion between these two boots. They both fit about the same, and are about the same cost. I can not find any reviews of these boots. Please help.

In case it matters, I have a fairly narrow ankle, squared off toes and a relatively high instep. As mentioned about, both of these boots seem to accomodate these needs (whereas my previous Technica's were terrible).
My SO has never been happier or warmer-toed than in her X-Wave 9.0s- she moved to them from a pair of Technica TC3s that had had more modifications than I can now remember.

There is some issue about how long the liners last on these- she is ready to order new ones after about, lessee, a few over 60 days in them. That's just the price you pay for warm, thermally fitted liners, I reckon.

The slop in her previous boots was very evident once she tried the new ones, as she ran into the problem spoken of here by BobBarnes, and she had significant ankle pain in her NEW boots from trying to skid Atomic 9'18s on Quebec ice. She had never had this trouble in the Tecnicas, oddly (possibly because she never noticed the lost motion she was putting in?). Three days of instruction fixed that.

She has also had a bit more ramp angle put in those, that helped her on hardpack but not so much on loose pow or crud. IIRC, roughly 3 degrees, corresponding to about a 13mm lift at the heel.

As a last note, these work great with her Salomon miniskis, but totally overpower the Rossignol BC ones.
post #4 of 19
Having read about the Nordica BEAST, it looked like THE boot to buy. I really wanted this boot because of so many fabulous features. It turned out to be very hard to find (in Los Angeles) and so I tried the Nordica W10 and 12 thinking they are similar.

But then I also tried the Salomon XWave 9.0...and it fit better, which seems to be what several have said here on this website.

The Salomon really hugged my foot completely, whereas the Nordica W10 and 12 had several pressure points, a bit more room here and there, plus it was very obvious the Nordicas would need work in bringing the buckles out more so there would be more room to play with: I was able to fairly easily do them up to the second to last position on the cuff buckles.

The Salomons, as well as hugging all of my foot better, still had plenty of room to play with as far as the buckles were concerned.

In the end I felt the fit should win the day, but the W12, W10 and the Beat do have AWESOME features that I will miss on the Salomon: Thermo mold liners (I THINK the salomons are not heat moldable, correct me please if I am wrong), the buckles on the Nordicas are designed to close MUCH MUCH easier, which I would definately find helpful on the slopes as I hate that wrestling struggle trying to close a buckle tighter, they are plusher inside, and they have adjustable flex (The Salomons are not adjustable, which is a pity also).

But as I said, a better fit without extra work won the day.

[ January 17, 2004, 08:28 PM: Message edited by: Snowbear ]
post #5 of 19
No one here, including myself, can tell you which boot is best for you. Both of these boots will be great boots but it all comes down to which fits your feet the best. I agree with what everyone has said about the Nordica features (liner, buckles, adjustable flex, Booster Strap) and I liked these features too, and looked hard at The Beast. Only one problem for me..too loose in the heel. As a result, I'm in a Solli x-wave 10. BTW, the x-wave liner is heat moldable.
post #6 of 19
Coach13...Do you know if the XWave 9.0 specifically is heat moldable? I think I have just bought last years boot, not the latest one. ONe reason I don't know is I only just bought these today so I guess I have fingers crossed that they will be OK.

Reading the specs and the instruction booklet leads me to believe its not heat moldable, but I did think this before buying and chose them purely for fit (and great reviews).
post #7 of 19
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Originally posted by Snowbear:
Coach13...Do you know if the XWave 9.0 specifically is heat moldable? I think I have just bought last years boot, not the latest one. ONe reason I don't know is I only just bought these today so I guess I have fingers crossed that they will be OK.

Reading the specs and the instruction booklet leads me to believe its not heat moldable, but I did think this before buying and chose them purely for fit (and great reviews).
It's my understanding that the entire x-wave series is heat moldable, and if I'm not mistaken the 10 and the 9 share the same liner.
post #8 of 19
yo brah,

if you have a narrow ankle, you should work toward a boot that has lower volume than a Salomon X-Wave or any other Salomon besides the plug boot. Raichle/Kneissl, Head, Nordica... that's where I'd be looking, with a look at Rossignol too.
post #9 of 19
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Originally posted by Coach13:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Snowbear:
Coach13...Do you know if the XWave 9.0 specifically is heat moldable? I think I have just bought last years boot, not the latest one. ONe reason I don't know is I only just bought these today so I guess I have fingers crossed that they will be OK.

Reading the specs and the instruction booklet leads me to believe its not heat moldable, but I did think this before buying and chose them purely for fit (and great reviews).
It's my understanding that the entire x-wave series is heat moldable, and if I'm not mistaken the 10 and the 9 share the same liner.</font>[/quote]The 10 and the 9 are not the same liner. Same flex in both, but the 10 has the better liner with more flexibility to customizing. That's whay I got it over the 9.
post #10 of 19
Re: gonzostrike....

I haven't done much reading yet on this website, but the little I have done seems to agree with your comment about XWave having higher volume.

HOWEVER, trying on and comparing Xwave series to Nordicas W series for many hours in the stores in the last two days, the Nordicas certainly felt roomier, and the Salomon definately hugged my foot much better.

I am saying this as someone who was psyched up to buy the Nordica, but felt I just HAD to go with Salomon because the Nordi seemed too roomy.

Of course it comes down to your own foot, so debner will really have to try the two and see.
post #11 of 19
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Originally posted by Taylormatt:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Coach13:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Snowbear:
Coach13...Do you know if the XWave 9.0 specifically is heat moldable? I think I have just bought last years boot, not the latest one. ONe reason I don't know is I only just bought these today so I guess I have fingers crossed that they will be OK.

Reading the specs and the instruction booklet leads me to believe its not heat moldable, but I did think this before buying and chose them purely for fit (and great reviews).
It's my understanding that the entire x-wave series is heat moldable, and if I'm not mistaken the 10 and the 9 share the same liner.</font>[/quote]The 10 and the 9 are not the same liner. Same flex in both, but the 10 has the better liner with more flexibility to customizing. That's whay I got it over the 9.</font>[/quote]Taylormatt

I believe that's a change for this years model. Snowbear mentioned that he had bought last years 9, so that's what I was referencing, and I wasn't positive. As to the flex rating you're correct for this year, they are both 100. Last years 10 was flex rated at 110 with the 9 at 100. I bought last years 10 because it was just a little stiffer than this years. Great boot though, just pulled them off my feet after 8 hours at Roundtop. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #12 of 19
Coach,

I didn't catch the last year vs. this year portion I guess.

Mine are just starting to break in and I'm really digging them.

I guess you're not coming up this weekend? Not missing much, wet snow turned to ice/coral and packed, I mean PACKED with a capitol F'in P. No room to even move on the slopes.
post #13 of 19
Hey, whilst we're on it, how much do you guys recommend the heat mold thing?

If indeed my XWave 9's are heat moldable, I am wondering if it is indeed worth the time to drive back to the boot store and get them to do the procedure. HOw long does it take and how much do you recommend it?

I know the boot store guy told me its the same as skiing in them for half a day. Another store told me its the same as skiing in them for FIVE days.

These new boots (haven't skiid them yet) hug my foot very well, but I am all for further comfort / customisation etc.
post #14 of 19
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Originally posted by Snowbear:
Hey, whilst we're on it, how much do you guys recommend the heat mold thing?
Who knows how much difference it makes. Sometimes it's hard to tell the marketing smoke from reality. The shop did it for me when I bought the boots and had my footbeds made. They fit like my feet were poured in, with no pressure points or pain. I spent 8 hours today in these boots and could have done 8 more. If your shop will do it for you at no cost, have it done. What the hell can it hurt. Is it an absolute necessity? I doubt it.

ps. If the shop won't do the heat mold at no cost to you, they're not much of a shop, and I'd think of going elsewhere in the future.
post #15 of 19
Well, I am sure I WON'T be going there in future if I can help it (I'll spare you the details, for now!!).

As such, how much should heat mold cost do you think at a different store? I guess I can just ask around, but I wasn't going to go to the trouble if it wasn't really worth it.

Your testimony of skiing 8 hours and wanting more is probably enough to make me look into it though!!
post #16 of 19
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Originally posted by Snowbear:
[QBYour testimony of skiing 8 hours and wanting more is probably enough to make me look into it though!![/QB]
I attribute this to the fit of the boot and the quality of the footbeds, not necessarily the heat molding. I had the heat molding done, so I can't attest to NOT having it done. My local shop charges $10 to do it for customers who have purchased boots elsewhere. I've heard of people doing it themselves with a hair dryer, but I don't know how that would work out. It probably couldn't hurt to try.
post #17 of 19
Coach, you might have mentioned this elsewhere but can I ask, which footbeds do you have?
post #18 of 19
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Originally posted by Snowbear:
Coach, you might have mentioned this elsewhere but can I ask, which footbeds do you have?
InstaPrint by Masterfit.
post #19 of 19
Thanks.

This is turning into another topic, but what procedure should one get the heatmoding done: custom insoles first then heat mold, or the other way around? What happens with soles during heatmolding?!

Should custom insoles be inside the boot first before heat molding?

I guess you could always get the heat molding opf the liner done again if you change the insole?

I have the 03 XWave 9.0. I can't say wether the insole that was supposed to come with it is heat moldable (I believe the 04 one is!), as the one inside mine was a TECNICA! (Like I said I dont want to have to deal with that boot seller again).

At the moment I just have "footfix" insoles that I've skiid on for a short while, but they have taken shape already. They were for a size 28.5 boot however, and my new XWAve is a 27.5: does that matter?
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