Originally Posted by Wigs
This is a move that has been around for really quite some time now. The idea was suggested to pros and students alike to try and get them to be more squared up on their skis. It also helps in getting a higher edge angle with the inside ski and also getting that ski more involved in the turn.
If the skier has a tip lead problem, (and IMHO, tip lead may or may not be a problem) the skier may have trouble getting the inside ski up on edge and creating equal edge angles with both skis. Also if the skier has tip lead, he or she probably is too countered in their larger radius turns. With us that have been around the ski world for some time now have had to struggle with this, and in the past, shuffled our feet between turns. (Or at least I did) Even now I see many skiers that push the new inside ski forward at the beginning of the turn causing tip lead. So pulling it back will help, at least mentally. If one has to pull it back, then they must have pushed it forward in the first place, no? Why not just tip it over into the new turn and not push it forward? This is not new stuff SkimangoJazz.
Here’s something new, (at least for me it was a new way to look at it) that really helped me this season. I have tried very hard to eliminate tip lead and counter in my larger radius turns. Why? Because being squarer to the skis is much more powerful. When one pulls the inside foot back, one hasn’t really solved the problem and still remains somewhat countered in the larger radius turn because the hip didn’t move. But if you think about pulling or moving the inside hip back, WALLA, squarer to the ski is the result and the skis rip through the turn. This really worked for me and my trainer told me that after doing this instead of just pulling the foot back, it was the first time I didn’t show some counter through the turn. But this only works well when you are standing up over the skis with your hip bone aligned with your ankle. Any farther back and all you are doing is chasing your skis. So give this a try, pull the inside hip back and feel the power.----------Wigs
Now I am really confused. I have been assured by my well meaning (old school style) skiing companions that I need to work on keeping my shoulders facing down the hill. On reflection I am probably guilty of allowing my hips to drive my short radius turns. However since I have been following Lito's (carving not pivoting) method in my long radius turns, I believe my lack of counter is simply the result of not conciously facing down the valley, rather than deliberate swinging of my hips and shoulders.
In nice soft grippy snow I feel my skiing is improving and I am in control. On steeper hard pack I find myself picking up too much speed on each turn and getting locked into skiddy traverses where I struggle to regain edge and speed control. My loss of confidence culminated in the last few of the ski trip when the previous days rain and wet slushy snow froze solid during a sudden cold snap. Although I had a convenient excuse in that my edges were trashed after skiing over countless rocks the days before, I did notice that many other skiers were managing to retain style and carve on the groomed hard pack.
After consulting my ski books it seems that skidding out the tails of the skis is a classic symptom of a non-countered stance (presumably because counter moves weight forward in relation to the outside pressure bearing ski). Now it seem that lack of counter may be a good thing- hence my confusion.
I have also noticed that many good skiiers (ski instructors included) seem to push their inside ski forward as part of turn transition.
So my questions are:
a) Is counter a good thing to develop in skiing?
b) If so, is it driven by inside ski lead or should inside ski lead be a result of counter? It seem there are several possibilities:
1) Focus on inside ski lead and allow a passive countering of hips and shoulders.
2) Actively steer the skis from the femurs while keeping hips and shoulder facing down the valley.
3) Focus on keeping the shoulder facing down the valley and let the hips and femurs line up as required.
Thanks for your help.