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post #31 of 216
Jeff,

I am looking for new boots. I sent you a couple of e-mails in November and asked you about the Diablo Race Pro(i hope you remember). I don't consider the Race Pro an option anymore because of what you said about it and mostly in comparison with the XT. Now i am looking at the Nordica Dobermann XS.

1. Do you think that at my height and weight (5 foot 9 and 160lbs.) the WC XS might be too low or soft for me? I know that the cuff is lower.
2. From your experience, please tell me if people who fit superb (out of the box) in the XT also fit well in the WC XS. I haven't tried it on,but i want to know what to expect. It's my only remaining option because i can't get the Atomic Race Tech.
3. If there is anything else that you find important and i should know about these boots please let me know.
4. From what you know, will Tecnica offer a lower volume last of the Race Pro? My Tecnica rep says that they will change the other lines and the Diablo will be unchanged.
5. What makes the Diablo Race Pro ski a bit better than the XT? From what i know, a boot with a low volume and a thin liner should ski better than a medium volume boot with a thicker liner. But it seems that in this case it's the other way around.


Thanks a lot,
Cosmin
post #32 of 216
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigerpaw
Happy New Year Jeff. Thanks for finding time to post.

Needed: Boot recommendation

Background:
1. Chicken Leg brotherhood. Tight Achilles Chapter.
2. Foot=98mm forefoot, 285mm length. Long 2nd toe. Low arches/instep.
3. 6', 160#, 35 y.o. advanced skier. Primarily eastern terrain. Value agility on the hill, prefer light equipment.
4. Looking for a narrow lasted boot, with upright, more neutral stance.
5. Went to SureF*t -- they stuck me in 28.5 MF Lange Comp 100. even though I asked for a narrower last in 27.5, they said the 28.5 MF was perfect. (my foot rattled in it.) Tecnica Flame too wide in forefoot as well. I left, pretty p-o'ed. No one carries narrow lasted boots where I am.

Additional bg:
1. A weak left foot from an old foot drop injury leaves my left leg not as powerful and less precise than my right (approx. 97% of flexion). I worry that a race boot flex would be too stiff. I also tend to roll my ankle outward onto the outside edge of my feet as a matter of habit. The extra volume in my current boots allowing this kind of imprecise movement=sloppy skiing.
2. Not sure how effective my rigid (green) superfeet insoles are. Hate the reduced level of foot to boot sensation/contact and the cramping in the soles of my feet from them.
3. I like the abdcuted stance of my Atomic boots, but not the wider last. (They are the grey and orange Beta Rides.)

Questions:
1. Would the Head Custom fit boots with 100mm last be narrow enough? (eg: RS 80)
2. Would older Head N97 lasted boots do the trick?
3. Does Atomic have a boot (because of the abducted stance) that runs narrow enough? Would downsizing a couple sizes to a smaller shell/narrower last help?
3. Do you have other boot recommendations?
4. This rolling onto the outer edge of my foot - is this typical of some inherent instabilty in lower arched feet? Is there a non-rigid sole Remedy for support?

Thanks -
My fellow chicken legged brother,

1. No way. It is a good boot but is definitely not low volume.
2. Not very well, it is fairly bulky in the heel area.
3. Not yet, but it is possible (but unlikely) their new boot will. I will find out when I go to the trade show from Feb 3-5.
4. (originally mis-numbered) Let's get there after number 5.
5. Your situation is more severe than is typical. I make a non-rigid footbeds that should deal with it very well.

Now, what to do. You have two basic choices. Get a lower volume race type of boot and possibly modify its flex. Or wait and see what shows up at the trade show.

What I am hoping is that Fischer makes enough improvements to their race boots so that you can get a pair next year. Right now their race boot is impossibly stiff and the production boot is very boxy. The reps are assuring me that there are major changes happening, but I will not know until I get to try them at the trade show in Feb.

If you need boots now, you might try the Tecnica Diablo RACE, the Atomic Race Tech XS (extra soft), or the Nordica Doberman 100 or 150. Keep in mind that none of these boots use an abducted stance and will almost certainly require a lot of fitting and alignment work. Still, at least they can be made to fit and ski properly.

If you post again after Feb 5th I would be happy to let you know what I find.

Chicken skiers rock!
Jeff
post #33 of 216
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by seco
Jeff,

These are my stats:
- I am 19
- I live in Australia. I ski at Aspen each Christmas and in the Australian Ski fields for about 2 weeks a year
- ski mainly groomed (powder is good too)
- am 6' 1", 165 pounds
- play alot of sport
- I like to ski fast
- occasionally ski the really hard runs, where there is no one around
- bumps are ok sometimes, but I have bad knees
- I have pretty good technique on groomed runs of nearly any kind but I am out to get better
- have size 12 feet; average width (like 4.5" just behind my toes); no prominent bone/spurs

This season I will be working for the first time as a kids ski instructor at Aspen (yay!) so I am looking to buy my own gear. Price doesnt matter so much, i just want a good pair.

1. What should I be looking for in a boot?

2. What brands should I consider/forget?

3. Do you know of a good boot fitter in the Aspen/Snowmass area?
Seco,

1. First look for a snug fit, one that feels like a handshake. The shop should do a shell fit in which they pull the liner out of the shell and see how much room is in the shell. Most boots do well with a 1 to 1 1/2 finger shell fit (any decent shop will check this).
Second is flex. You should have a good range of movement, while still having some resistance. When you flex the boot, the upper shell should move relative to the lower shell. If only the liner budges the flex is wrong.
Third is position, and this should be checked by a competent alignment specialist.

2. Stay with the higher end boots. Currently Tecnica, Lange and Nordica are making very good boots, but it depends on what you need.

3. Jim Lindsay of BOOTech is a good guy and should be able to help you.

Good luck,
Jeff
post #34 of 216
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sywsyw
Jeff,

I am looking for new boots. I sent you a couple of e-mails in November about the Diablo Race Pro(i hope you remember). I don't consider the Race Pro an option anymore because of what you said about it and mostly in comparison with the XT. Now i am looking at the Nordica Dobermann XS.

1. Do you think that at my height and weight (5 foot 9 and 160lbs.) the WC XS might be too low or soft for me? I know that the cuff is lower.
2. From your experience, please tell me if people who fit superb (out of the box) in the XT also fit well in the WC XS. I haven't tried it on,but i want to know what to expect. It's my only remaining option because i can't get the Atomic Race Tech.
3. If there is anything else that you find important and i should know about these boots please let me know.
4. From what you know, will Tecnica offer a lower volume last of the Race Pro? My Tecnica rep says that they will change the other lines and the Diablo will be unchanged.
5. What makes the Diablo Race Pro ski a bit better than the XT? From what i know, a boot with a low volume and a thin liner should ski better than a medium volume boot with a thicker liner. But it seems that in this case it's the other way around.


Thanks a lot,
Cosmin
Cosmin,

1. I would certainly prefer the higher cuff for you. You could get the Doberman 150 and modifiy for flex, but this will require a very skilled bottfiter.
2. Ironically, the fits of the XT and the Dobermann are closer than the XT to the new Diablo Race.
3. These boots (except for the Diablo Race) are quite difficult to get on and off. All usually require at least a fair amount of modification.
4. I do not believe they will change the fit of the Diablo Race, even though I think they now need to make a narrower boot for some skiers.
5. In your case I agree. The higher volume of the Tecnica Diablo Race will be a problem for you, although it is better for some other skiers. Overall, I have mixed feelings for the Diablo Race, though I should mention that it works very well for some skiers. Very few of these skiers are women, however...

Jeff
post #35 of 216
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyman683
Background Information:
- Eastern expert, sometimes I like to play in the park but mostly I love trees and fast carving.
- I've got two different sized feet. My left is a 9/9.5 shoe size, my right is a 8.5. Both are EE widths. Also I'm 5'11. 185, athletic.
- I also have extremely flat feet (Cavemen feet) and I wear custom orthotics in my shoes for this. Unfortunately they dont fit in ski boots and are rather expensive so I can't get another set.
- Currently using an older Dolomite, VXS or something like that. It's way packed out, and has gotten so soft i feel like I'm not attached to my skis so its time to get rid of them.
- On my own I tried a pair of the Technica Icon ALU at a 27.0, way too narrow to get even close to putting them on, let alone fitting them. Tried a few others, including a Dalbello (wasn't impressed) at shop and left.
- Went to a better shop and fitting guy helped me out. He seemed to recommend the Dolomite Rage Pro or the Nordica Beast, in 26.5's to keep the tight fit for performance. Those were the only two he had me try on. I should also note that these were the two most expensive boots in the store, so I'm a little skeptical.

Questions:

1. The Rage Pro seemed to fit well, as did the Beast, but neither were great. In both boots a heel lift was inserted on my larger left foot, which helped a little (or so it seemed) with alleviating some pinching of my toes. This seemed to cause heel slippage, especially in the Rage Pro. In general both of these boots actually seemed to have rather roomy heel pockets for me. Was the tech doing the right thing with the heel lift or simply trying to convince me the most expensive boots in the store were the best idea with a small gimmick that helped fit while causing heel and performance problems?

2. Are my heels themselves possibly just too narrow for these boots? Is the heel able to be "tightened up" around my ankle/heel area or is it a find new boots kind of deal?

3. Is there anything else in this flex range that I should go try on?

4. Does 26.5 seem like the size I should really be trying on?


Thanks in advance, and hope the questions are answerable with the information I've given...

-Pete
1. There are currently very few V shaped (narrow in the heel, wide in the forefoot) boots on the market. Tecnica just started making the Diablo series this year so maybe you should try one of them. (Tecnica will make another V shaped boot next year that is wider than the Diablo.) As far as your bootfitter goes, it sounds like he gave you some reasonable choices, but you just want the tighter fit. I would think the Nordica could work reasonably well for you, but I would not buy it without trying the Tecnica Diablo.

2. The Nordica shell is quite chuncky in the heel, so it is very possible that they are to wide for you. Still, they are good boots.

3. Covered above, but yes, the Tecnica Diablo or next year's wider Tecnica.

4. The 26.5 size sounds reasonable.

Good luck,
Jeff
post #36 of 216
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clayton
Jeff,

Thanks for taking the time to do this!

Background:
- 6'1"/195lbs
- Advanced Skier
- Telluride - 25 days Annually
- Powder/Trees/Steeps
- Boots - Raichle F1Pro/Custom Footbeds/Booster Straps
- Skis - Legend 8000/178

Problem:

Boots fit very well and I have no comfort issues at all. Problem is that heels lift slightly out of the pocket on both boots, more on left foot. No amount of strap adjustment within reason solves this.

Is this a problem to be concerned about? If so what is the best way to remedy?

Thanks!
Clayton,

Unlike the Raichle Flexons, the Raichle F1 does not hold the heel well. How much of a problem this is depends on what you want to do. You could try to add some dense padding to the liner or add a bontex shim.

Jeff
post #37 of 216
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat
Hopefully an easy one for you, Jeff...
Background: Tecnica Icon boots with green Superfeet insoles.
The insoles were in my previous boots as well.

On my recent trip to Wengen, I got blisters on both feet at the side just above the arch.
My diagnosis is that either the boot lining has expanded or the insole contracted/curled up a bit. My feet were then being nipped between the insole and lining, which caused the problem.

Since coming home, I've taken the insoles out.

Question: Would buying new insoles help, or do I need to get the boot looked at?
Wear the Fox Hat,

I doubt the insoles are the problem. Most likely the boots need some grinding or liner modification.

Jeff
post #38 of 216
Hi Jeff

Background
Im a 40y old expert skiier. Foot measures european slightly under 30. For the last 14y I was using the Dynafit F3 with a comfortable (I think) foam innershoue made in Valdisere, France. It was a great boot and the fit was perfect but it came apart in the end. Last year I bought the Nordica Beast 12 size 29,5 335mm. It was 5mm shorter than my Dynafit. I had serious problems with the outer shell and we had to modify them extensively in order to take away pressure pain (I finally regained the feel of my skin 6months after initial purchase). Also the innershoue was modified with a hot blowing gun. I wanted originally a foam shoue but there was no to be found and every salesman I talked to me told me it was the way of the past and today the innershoues are so good they are even better than foam. BS in my opinion in the case of the Beast at least. This innershoue is just a shapeless muffing.

1. Can I get a new and better innershoues somewhere?
2. Is the last years Beast a bad boot?
3. Is the last yeass Beast 12 same as this years Speedmashine?
3. I tried on this years Speedmashine size 29,5 and it felt very good on my foot, not like the Beast 12 29,5 I have myselfe. It needed extensive reshaping.
4. If I take the innerhsoue out and put my fot inside and rest the tip of my toes on the front end of the shell is it enough space if I can only barely slid my fingers in behind my heel?
5. My right innershoue seems to slide back and forth 3mm, move, inside the shell! Is the inner shoue too small or do I just need to tighten the buckles.
6. Should I try a foam inner shoue? What brand?

Thanx
post #39 of 216
Jeff-
I'm a 6', 178 pound 61 y.o. male advanced intermediate--likes groomed blues and blacks-occasional bumps. Major foot problem is 10.5 A/B width hoof--present boots are 6-7 year old Lange L70's or L10's which are fairly well packed out.
1- What would be your top 3-4 choices for new boots? have sort of looked at Lange Comp 120s and Freeride 120s
2-Ski a 50-50 mix of east and west.
post #40 of 216
Jeff,
Background info, Chapter One: I'm a 6'1" 195 lb. aggressive advanced intermediate (or better) Eastern skier, who skis about 25 days a year in the Mid-Atlantic, and about 5-8 days a year out West. Back East, I mostly ski bumps, which after a lesson mid-last season and switch to shorter straight skis, I'm getting good at. Out West, I go for powder, steep groomers, and some trees. I was using Technica Innotec TI-4 boots (9 years old, got them when I started skiing), in size 27 or 27.5. I have a V-shaped foot, and have trouble finding boots that will hold my heel down yet have enough width for my toes. I had some fitting done to the Technicas, including heel lifters and padding to hold my ankle bone, back in 1999, which worked ok for control if not comfort. Last season, I started having lasting pain in my left big toe joint, which did not go away after the season ended. It turns out that skiing 8 years in the Technica's too-short shell caused me to develop a bone spur in my left big toe bone (actually the end of the foot bone that joins the big toe at the main joint over top the "ball" of the foot). Obviously, the Technica's had to go.

Chapter Two: I went to a local shop with a reputation for good service if not good prices, and described my situation as above. The bootfitter put me in last years Lange 100 sFt, size 29. They fit well & comfortable with the thermo-mold footbed and some foam to stabilize my ankle, but I expressed reservations about their softness. The bootfitter talked me into them, based on the performance of today's shaped skis not requiring the race-tight, stiff boots that my mogul-expert friends swear by. Since these guys learned on 210 cm straight skis, I figured I'd give the fitter the benefit of the doubt.

Chapter Three: I skied one day on my Volkl Vertigo G20's, 188 cm, and did ok in the new boots. Not any better than my old ones, but not appreciably worse. The next day, I skied the VERY SAME LINES in my soft, narrow, straight, 180 cm K2 Select 7.9's, which last year were a SWEET bump ski, and I thought I was going to die. I ate bumps with my knees bent, jammed my spine, crashed into a safety fence, and could barely ski back to the car let alone the bumps. Generally felt out of control everywhere. And this second day was a nice, soft, warm bump day. Both pairs of skis were waxed and tuned.
So, I went back to the shop, and had the balance rechecked on the binding remount for the K2's. It was fine. Previously mentioned bootfitter blamed it on the straight skis...which I'd been skiing well for the latter half of last season, and said I was asking for too much that a boot perform for both fast skiing, bumps, and both quick and long turns.

Questions:
1. Did I get blatantly lied to regarding the potential performance of the SFT series in bumps especially?
2. Are they too soft as an all-around boot for a skier of my aggressiveness and weight?
3. Would the Lange Comp 120 be a better choice, now that I know Lange boots fit my feet? I'm thinking of ordering them online sight-unseen.
4. Would the Comp 120, in the same shell size, require yet another binding remount to my skis? They've already been drilled 3 times.
5. Am I incorrect to believe that the stiff boots offer performance-to-spare for all situations, while the soft boots are limiting?

Thanks!
post #41 of 216
Jeff, hi and Thanks in advance.
BACKGROUND INFO: 57, weight 172 lbs, 5' 7", 25 + years skiing. Currently on Volant T1 Supers 183 cm, Rossignol Elite Bandit 1 with custom orthotics, Marker biometric bindings. Consider myself advanced- was expert, but my knees are shot. Had Right ACL replaced 10 years ago, did some more damage a few years later requiring a debridement, and now have some arthritis with no cartilage left on my right interior condoyle. Had to give up heliskiing at CMH when I couldn't handle the big air landings anymore at the Monashees and Galena. Now ski all of Alta, and hit Lake Louise and Big Sky, and occasionally Taos (got to love Jean and the St Bernard!) but don't climb the chutes as much anymore. Powder still my passion.

Question:
1. Boots are fitting pretty well, but I notice my right foot can "roll" and slide laterally a little when I edge hard. Boot seems tight enough and I don't get any heel lift, but I just don't get that same little bit of sloppiness in my left foot. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
post #42 of 216

Ski boot Help

Jeff,

, I hope you can provide a bit of guidance re: some new boots. The background info:
- I am 42
- live in Munich
- ski every Saturday in season and an 8-10 day holiday in Austria/France
- ski mainly groomed (do not get too much powder here, although I love to ski it)
- am 6' 2", 175 pounds
- am considered a very good athlete
- like to ski relatively fast; do some very local races (nothing at all serious); plenty of firm snow but also some softer snow due to lots of warm weather in Europe.
- occasionally ski the really hard runs, where I absolutely do not look like a star
- like to try bumps, although I am terrible at them
- I am considered to have good technique on groomed runs of nearly any kind; I am not a strong, brute force kind of skiier
- ski 180cm Atomic GS 9
- my current boots: Nordica Grand Prix 80; purchased in 1992; fit great; getting generally worn out (liner, etc...); starting to suufer hot spot around left ankle due to liner degeneration
- have tried on 2003/04 Noridca Beast and it fit well (for the 15 minutes I had it on)
- performance is important, but comfort cannot be negelcted; I have no need for a performance-at-all-costs boot (e.g. any race boot)
- have 11B feet; narrow through whole foot; long, narrow toes; no prominent bone/spurs

Questions:
1) given my profile, should I look at the Beast or other all-mountain boots? or, are these boots a bit stronger than I need, and should I be looking at more cruiser/sport models?
2) if Nordica seems to be the right fit, then which of the 2004/05 Beast boots (i.e. 14, 12, 10) or other Nordicas make the most sense?
3) do you know of any great boot fitters in Austria/Bavaria? I hope to visít your shop in February, but that is no sure thing right now. I have not seen any fitters here that approach your shop, and I do not like the idea of getting my next boots from less-than-expert people/shops

I really appreciate your help! If you would like more information, I'll be happy to provide it.

Have fun!
tcam
post #43 of 216
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdk6
Hi Jeff

Background
Im a 40y old expert skiier. Foot measures european slightly under 30. For the last 14y I was using the Dynafit F3 with a comfortable (I think) foam innershoue made in Valdisere, France. It was a great boot and the fit was perfect but it came apart in the end. Last year I bought the Nordica Beast 12 size 29,5 335mm. It was 5mm shorter than my Dynafit. I had serious problems with the outer shell and we had to modify them extensively in order to take away pressure pain (I finally regained the feel of my skin 6months after initial purchase). Also the innershoue was modified with a hot blowing gun. I wanted originally a foam shoue but there was no to be found and every salesman I talked to me told me it was the way of the past and today the innershoues are so good they are even better than foam. BS in my opinion in the case of the Beast at least. This innershoue is just a shapeless muffing.

1. Can I get a new and better innershoues somewhere?
2. Is the last years Beast a bad boot?
3. Is the last yeass Beast 12 same as this years Speedmashine?
3. I tried on this years Speedmashine size 29,5 and it felt very good on my foot, not like the Beast 12 29,5 I have myselfe. It needed extensive reshaping.
4. If I take the innerhsoue out and put my fot inside and rest the tip of my toes on the front end of the shell is it enough space if I can only barely slid my fingers in behind my heel?
5. My right innershoue seems to slide back and forth 3mm, move, inside the shell! Is the inner shoue too small or do I just need to tighten the buckles.
6. Should I try a foam inner shoue? What brand?

Thanx
tdk6

I am having some difficulty reading your English, but since you are from the land of rally racing and Kalle Pallendar (sp?) I will do my best to respond.

1. It is difficult to get replacement liners from Nordica in the US, so I expect that would be the case for Europe.
2. Last year's Beast is an excellent boot.
3. The only significant difference is in the liner. The Speedmachine seems to have not quite as thick of a liner and seems to work well for high volume feet. (Which I am guessing you have.) There is no difference in the shape of the shell that I have noticed.
4. As a guess, this sounds a bit tight but workable (with a good bootfitter). Part of this depends on how thick your fingers are. If they are thicker, you may have a perfect shell fit. It is also a question of how tight you want to be. Overall, they should be able to work.
5. This makes me wonder about the liners. Do they say 29 or 29,5 on them. Perhaps 28's were put into the shells by mistake? If they are 29's, maybe the liners need some modification.
6. Unless you have very boney, knobby feet or have a wide forefoot and a narrow heel and ankle, I would stay away from foam liners. They do have one advantage, however, and that is you can purchase a size 30 liner and put it into your 29 shells. Another issue is that foaming requires a fairly competent bootfitter, and if you can find a competent bootfitter they should be able to fit you with your current liners. Comformable foam liners have some problems but are fairly good.

Marcus Gronholm rules!

Good luck,
Jeff
post #44 of 216
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brute43
Jeff-
I'm a 6', 178 pound 61 y.o. male advanced intermediate--likes groomed blues and blacks-occasional bumps. Major foot problem is 10.5 A/B width hoof--present boots are 6-7 year old Lange L70's or L10's which are fairly well packed out.
1- What would be your top 3-4 choices for new boots? have sort of looked at Lange Comp 120s and Freeride 120s
2-Ski a 50-50 mix of east and west.
Brute43,

As a skier with 12A feet, I feel your pain...

1. Your first choice is not which boot but which TYPE of boot. You must choose between a race boot or a production boot. The race boots will fit your feet best, but may be stiffer, colder and harder to get on. They can usually be softened adequately but will probably be fairly cold. ou will get the best fit from a race boot, such as the Nordica Doberman 150 or 100, Atomic Race Tech, or Rossignol race 2004. Of these the N. Doberman 100 and the Rossi are probably the easiest to live with for freeskiing.

Unfortunately, there is no such thing as a narrow production boot but some are at least less wide. For production boots you could go with the Lange low fit boot, such as the 130, 120 Comps. You may also want to try the women's Comp 100, which is narrower than the men's Comp 100. I believe the Freeride 120 is also a low fit.

Finally, two other options. The Nordica Doberman Pro 110 and 130 are somewhere between a race a production boot and you might like them. Another option might be the Dalbello Krypton, which is basically an improved copy of the old Raichle Flexon. It is not narrow, but its design allows it to hold a foot much better than most overlap boots. It is also easy to get on and off, warm and easily modified.

These are your best options I can give you without seeing your feet and legs.

Jeff
post #45 of 216
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tcam
Jeff,

, I hope you can provide a bit of guidance re: some new boots. The background info:
- I am 42
- live in Munich
- ski every Saturday in season and an 8-10 day holiday in Austria/France
- ski mainly groomed (do not get too much powder here, although I love to ski it)
- am 6' 2", 175 pounds
- am considered a very good athlete
- like to ski relatively fast; do some very local races (nothing at all serious); plenty of firm snow but also some softer snow due to lots of warm weather in Europe.
- occasionally ski the really hard runs, where I absolutely do not look like a star
- like to try bumps, although I am terrible at them
- I am considered to have good technique on groomed runs of nearly any kind; I am not a strong, brute force kind of skiier
- ski 180cm Atomic GS 9
- my current boots: Nordica Grand Prix 80; purchased in 1992; fit great; getting generally worn out (liner, etc...); starting to suufer hot spot around left ankle due to liner degeneration
- have tried on 2003/04 Noridca Beast and it fit well (for the 15 minutes I had it on)
- performance is important, but comfort cannot be negelcted; I have no need for a performance-at-all-costs boot (e.g. any race boot)
- have 11B feet; narrow through whole foot; long, narrow toes; no prominent bone/spurs

Questions:
1) given my profile, should I look at the Beast or other all-mountain boots? or, are these boots a bit stronger than I need, and should I be looking at more cruiser/sport models?
2) if Nordica seems to be the right fit, then which of the 2004/05 Beast boots (i.e. 14, 12, 10) or other Nordicas make the most sense?
3) do you know of any great boot fitters in Austria/Bavaria? I hope to visít your shop in February, but that is no sure thing right now. I have not seen any fitters here that approach your shop, and I do not like the idea of getting my next boots from less-than-expert people/shops

I really appreciate your help! If you would like more information, I'll be happy to provide it.

Have fun!
tcam
tcam,

First of all, I think you have given me plenty of information.

1. Your feet are probably too narrow for the Nordica Beast. Better production boots would be the Lange Comp 120 LF or maybe the Dalbello Krypton. You might also like the Nordica Doberman Pro 110 or 130, which I think of as semi-race boots.
2. As covered in #1.
3. I have heard good things about Hubert Auer (who is involved with the design of the new Fischer boot) who is in Austria and a bootfitter named Heierling (sp) (I believe there is a relation to the Heierling boots of a few years ago) who is somewhere in Switzerland (perhaps Davos or Saas Fe). As much as I would like your business, you may want to start with these people so you can get help near home. Still let me know if you are coming to Colorado.

Good luck,
Jeff
post #46 of 216
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugaboos
Jeff, hi and Thanks in advance.
BACKGROUND INFO: 57, weight 172 lbs, 5' 7", 25 + years skiing. Currently on Volant T1 Supers 183 cm, Rossignol Elite Bandit 1 with custom orthotics, Marker biometric bindings. Consider myself advanced- was expert, but my knees are shot. Had Right ACL replaced 10 years ago, did some more damage a few years later requiring a debridement, and now have some arthritis with no cartilage left on my right interior condoyle. Had to give up heliskiing at CMH when I couldn't handle the big air landings anymore at the Monashees and Galena. Now ski all of Alta, and hit Lake Louise and Big Sky, and occasionally Taos (got to love Jean and the St Bernard!) but don't climb the chutes as much anymore. Powder still my passion.

Question:
1. Boots are fitting pretty well, but I notice my right foot can "roll" and slide laterally a little when I edge hard. Boot seems tight enough and I don't get any heel lift, but I just don't get that same little bit of sloppiness in my left foot. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Bugaboos,

This has been covered quite a few times...

If you want to keep your boots, you can tighten the fit by adding a bontex shim underneath your liners or by adding padding to the liner. Keep in mind that you want to use a fairly dense foam.

If you want get new boots, try to get a boot with a snugger shell than the Rossi's.

Jeff
post #47 of 216
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartiniSwiller
Jeff,
Background info, Chapter One: I'm a 6'1" 195 lb. aggressive advanced intermediate (or better) Eastern skier, who skis about 25 days a year in the Mid-Atlantic, and about 5-8 days a year out West. Back East, I mostly ski bumps, which after a lesson mid-last season and switch to shorter straight skis, I'm getting good at. Out West, I go for powder, steep groomers, and some trees. I was using Technica Innotec TI-4 boots (9 years old, got them when I started skiing), in size 27 or 27.5. I have a V-shaped foot, and have trouble finding boots that will hold my heel down yet have enough width for my toes. I had some fitting done to the Technicas, including heel lifters and padding to hold my ankle bone, back in 1999, which worked ok for control if not comfort. Last season, I started having lasting pain in my left big toe joint, which did not go away after the season ended. It turns out that skiing 8 years in the Technica's too-short shell caused me to develop a bone spur in my left big toe bone (actually the end of the foot bone that joins the big toe at the main joint over top the "ball" of the foot). Obviously, the Technica's had to go.

Chapter Two: I went to a local shop with a reputation for good service if not good prices, and described my situation as above. The bootfitter put me in last years Lange 100 sFt, size 29. They fit well & comfortable with the thermo-mold footbed and some foam to stabilize my ankle, but I expressed reservations about their softness. The bootfitter talked me into them, based on the performance of today's shaped skis not requiring the race-tight, stiff boots that my mogul-expert friends swear by. Since these guys learned on 210 cm straight skis, I figured I'd give the fitter the benefit of the doubt.

Chapter Three: I skied one day on my Volkl Vertigo G20's, 188 cm, and did ok in the new boots. Not any better than my old ones, but not appreciably worse. The next day, I skied the VERY SAME LINES in my soft, narrow, straight, 180 cm K2 Select 7.9's, which last year were a SWEET bump ski, and I thought I was going to die. I ate bumps with my knees bent, jammed my spine, crashed into a safety fence, and could barely ski back to the car let alone the bumps. Generally felt out of control everywhere. And this second day was a nice, soft, warm bump day. Both pairs of skis were waxed and tuned.
So, I went back to the shop, and had the balance rechecked on the binding remount for the K2's. It was fine. Previously mentioned bootfitter blamed it on the straight skis...which I'd been skiing well for the latter half of last season, and said I was asking for too much that a boot perform for both fast skiing, bumps, and both quick and long turns.

Questions:
1. Did I get blatantly lied to regarding the potential performance of the SFT series in bumps especially?
2. Are they too soft as an all-around boot for a skier of my aggressiveness and weight?
3. Would the Lange Comp 120 be a better choice, now that I know Lange boots fit my feet? I'm thinking of ordering them online sight-unseen.
4. Would the Comp 120, in the same shell size, require yet another binding remount to my skis? They've already been drilled 3 times.
5. Am I incorrect to believe that the stiff boots offer performance-to-spare for all situations, while the soft boots are limiting?

Thanks!
MartiniSwiller,

1. While I do not like the SFT boots, I doubt the bootfitters lied to you. They probably felt they would work. Shaped skis do work better with softer FLEXING boots in general. However...
2. These boots are not up to the job given your weight and skiing ability, although they might be fine gently cruising green and blue trails. Again, in my opinion.
3. I would say you do not know that Langes fit you. The SFT does not fit the same as the 120. Still, the Comp 120 MF (stands for Medium Fit, nothing else) or the Comp 100 might fit you well. You might also want to try the Tecnica Diablo Fire or Magnesium. It is always best to try a boot before buying it.
4. They should only require readjustment, not remounting.
5. As a flex issue, you want the right flex. Too stiff is just as bad as too soft. However, most boots these days flex fairly well (unlike a few years ago) so given that you may want a stiffer boot. The basic issues are you should be able to flex the upper cuff and not just the liner and that boot should return you to an upright position once you stop flexing it.

Keep in mind that the amount of forward lean a boot has affects how stiff you want it to be. For instance, you do not want a boot that is very far forward to also be overly soft. It would feel like it was just giving out on you.

I hope this helps.

Jeff
post #48 of 216
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Originally Posted by tcam
- live in Munich
3) do you know of any great boot fitters in Austria/Bavaria? I hope to visít your shop in February, but that is no sure thing right now. I have not seen any fitters here that approach your shop, and I do not like the idea of getting my next boots from less-than-expert people/shops
Hi, tcam,
why don´t you try www.carving-ski.de?
You find some useful tips and contact, even in Munich.

BTW,
Herbert Auer, Steinach am Brenner
Johann Leitner, Bichlbach (near Ehrwald, 100 km off Munich - he´s the main architect of Fischer SomaTec, www.shuhsport-leitner.at)
Heierling: www.heierling.ch
(Jeff was right, it´s the old dynasty from Davos, the same as Auers and Leitners)
post #49 of 216
Hi Jeff,

This is great

Background: Age 51, fine skier (expert). Boot: Tecnica Alu hot form. I usually size 28 shell. This one is a 27. The heel was ground out to seat it beter and to give me room in the toe! I have a very narrow heel - therefore the hotform. Usually have the boot foamed. Tend to buy a lot of boots! fore foot is sprawling and flat and low sole to top of foot.

I have foot beds.

Hope that was not too much info!

Question:

1) I am having a problem starting the turn as if I am not poised to go. It's like I'm caught back. Then once I get into the turn I find myself falling forward crushing the flex out. I have always been wary of the heel wedge - is it something I should consider? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
post #50 of 216
Thanks Jeff for your excellent advise. But how on earth can anybody from the US possibly know about Ralley car driving? And Marcus Grönholm!! He is practically my neighbour, well allmost anyway, and the current champion. Finland is indeed today the land of Grönholm, Palander, Tanja, Antti Autti and Janne Ahonen. And sorry for my bad spelling.
post #51 of 216
Hi Jeff,

I'm looking for new boots.

-I'm 42 yr old male weighing 67 kg (148lbs) who has been skiing for about 5yrs. I live in Sydney Australia.
-I'm an intermediate who prefers groomed runs, but have been venturing to off-piste of late. I am pretty good at long/medium carve turns and am working on improving my short turns.
-My feet are 27cm in length and 9.8cm at widest down to 7.2cm below ankles. My outside ankle bones have rather prominent bone spurs just below; in past this has led to much discomfort from boots tight at the ankles (eg. Lange).
-I've tried on several boots and have found the Nordica W10 boots (shell size 26.5) felt best in store. Second was Salomon Xwave 7.0.


1) Are the Nordicas too high a volume shell for my feet? I've heard the liners pack out more than most.

2) Is the flex on the W10 right for my style of skiing?

2) Any other boot you think I should try?

Thanks for any help you can offer,

Steve
post #52 of 216
Jeff and Checkracer,

Thank you very much! Jeff, still not sure if/when i will be in colorado, but will be sure to set up an appointment with you if the trip happens. And, i very much appreciate your thoughts about the boots.

Checkracer,

Thaks for the more detailed info. I will be in Ehrwald this weekend, so I will try to set something up. Again, thanks!

tcam
post #53 of 216

looking for boots...

hi jeff, and thanks in advance for the advice. i'm looking for boots to replace my 9 year old nordica grand prix. i am an advanced recreational skier, 48 years old who skies 6-10 days a season out west. i have used my nordica 27.5 grand prix's for a long time now and am looking for a new pair. i'm thinking the nordica beast might be a good choice as i have been pretty happy with the fit of my old nordica's (27.5, i'm a 9.5 or 10 shoe with a slightly wide toe box). am i off course in thinking the beast is a good idea, and i'm happy to consider others as well....
post #54 of 216

Another Booster Strap Question

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for providing the sage guidance.

I'm 58 years old. 5'8"" 170 lb and an active GS racer (NASTAR# MOO95) on both skis and snowboards.

Someone recently gave me a pair of three-strap Booster Straps with holes prepunched. I use Technica Icon boots for ski racing.

Questions:
1. How do I remove the old power straps?
2 How do I install the new booster straps?

A friend who is a top-notch racer has BOTH the power straps and the booster straps on Technica Icons giving rise to question 3.
3. Isn't that self-defeating?

Much obliged,

Pat
post #55 of 216

Same question

Does anyone have any suggestions to my preceding post?

Thanks,

Pat
post #56 of 216
Never mind. I figured it out.
post #57 of 216
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdk6
Thanks Jeff for your excellent advise. But how on earth can anybody from the US possibly know about Ralley car driving? And Marcus Grönholm!! He is practically my neighbour, well allmost anyway, and the current champion. Finland is indeed today the land of Grönholm, Palander, Tanja, Antti Autti and Janne Ahonen. And sorry for my bad spelling.
tdk6,

I watch WRC anytime I can and drive a Subaru WRX STI. If you are ever in Colorado call me and I will show you some of our great backroads. Lastly, your spelling in English is vastly better than my Finnish spelling (as in non-existant.

Jeff
post #58 of 216
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by paul jones
Hi Jeff,

This is great

Background: Age 51, fine skier (expert). Boot: Tecnica Alu hot form. I usually size 28 shell. This one is a 27. The heel was ground out to seat it beter and to give me room in the toe! I have a very narrow heel - therefore the hotform. Usually have the boot foamed. Tend to buy a lot of boots! fore foot is sprawling and flat and low sole to top of foot.

I have foot beds.

Hope that was not too much info!

Question:

1) I am having a problem starting the turn as if I am not poised to go. It's like I'm caught back. Then once I get into the turn I find myself falling forward crushing the flex out. I have always been wary of the heel wedge - is it something I should consider? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Paul Jones,

1. There are a number of possibilities here. You may need more forward lean, less ramp angle in the boot, more ramp angle in the binding. Perhaps you should start by trying to shim behind the calf. This is a common problem for bigger boots.

Good luck,
Jeff
post #59 of 216
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slave
Hi Jeff,

I'm looking for new boots.

-I'm 42 yr old male weighing 67 kg (148lbs) who has been skiing for about 5yrs. I live in Sydney Australia.
-I'm an intermediate who prefers groomed runs, but have been venturing to off-piste of late. I am pretty good at long/medium carve turns and am working on improving my short turns.
-My feet are 27cm in length and 9.8cm at widest down to 7.2cm below ankles. My outside ankle bones have rather prominent bone spurs just below; in past this has led to much discomfort from boots tight at the ankles (eg. Lange).
-I've tried on several boots and have found the Nordica W10 boots (shell size 26.5) felt best in store. Second was Salomon Xwave 7.0.


1) Are the Nordicas too high a volume shell for my feet? I've heard the liners pack out more than most.

2) Is the flex on the W10 right for my style of skiing?

2) Any other boot you think I should try?

Thanks for any help you can offer,

Steve
Steve,

1. I measure foot width from A to E, so I cannot compare your measurements. (It sounds like a better system than what is commonly used in the US.) I can tell you that the Nordicas do tend to pack out more than most other boots.

2. The W10 should be great for your level of skiing.

3. I think I would need to see your feet. The Salomons could also be good.

Jeff
post #60 of 216

Ralley Driving and Beas 12 Q

Thanks Jeff for the invitation. I will most certainly look you up when I come to Colorado. We have some really nice back roads as well and ralley is in everyones veins here in my country. Snow and grawel. Rear weel drive.

Question
1. One of my clients last week had boots like mine, Beast 12 2003/4 model, and he complained that they fill up with snow at the tip. I started checking my own boots and the snow is clearly visible through the transparet outside shell. The guy said that its a well known problem with this boot. Is it true or not?
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