Originally Posted by rx-7
This is my first post but i have read all your answers about plug boots so that i won't ask the same thing. But i din't see any answer that could help...maybe because this is about next years models.
Background: male skier, 160lbs. I am looking for a plug boot. There are three boots on my list: the Tecnica Diablo Race R (the real deal, not the Race 130) the Atomic Race Tec and the Lange RL11. The Lange is on my list because i have a friend who is a Lange rep and he "desperately" wants me to try it on.
Questions:1.What are the similarities and differences between them?2. How do they ski?
3. I would like to know how many degrees of ramp and forward lean these boots have and how many degrees of forward lean they have with the velcro spoiler removed.4. I plan on using the one i will choose for freeskiing also. So i need to know what would be the differences between them as far as freeskiing performance goes.5. A friend told me the Diablo Race R has a more aggressive design than the Lange/Rossi. The same should apply for the Race Tec because brand A modeled the Race Tec after the "black dog". What was he trying to say? :6. Do you think the Race Tec and Race R ski better than the Lange? That's what i think. WC results don't lie - brand L didn't win a single crystal globe last season. When was the last time that happened? Atomic won every crystal globe on the mens circuit and the SG crystal globe on the womens circuit. Tecnica won the SL and GS crystal globes on the womens circuit. This clearly demonstrated the "power" of the new boots. Did i mention the Race R is a copy of the "black dog"?
Personally, i think the racers on the Race Tec, Race R and Dobermann will continue with these boots. IMHO these are the three best boots.IMHO nobody will go back to brand L.Thanks a lot for your response.
1. Atomic/ Lange/ Tecnica plugs- The Tecnica is most different. It is higher volume (than most plug boots) and has a huge amount of forward lean. It is definitely not for everyone, but works very well for some skiers. The Atomic is medium in the forefoot, very narrow in the heel, slightly low over the instep and has quite a bit of forward lean (like most race boots). The NEW Lange is medium to wide at the forefoot, narrow in the heel, high over the instep and has a fair amount of forward lean. IMO, Lange boots seem to crack before other boots.
2. All the boots ski well, if you like boots with a fair amount of forward lean. In My Opinion, the Atomic is currently the best skiing boot on the planet- IF it is a good setup for you. Still, all these boots ski well, so you are probably better off focusing on the fit.
3. I do not trust measurements given by manufactures. IMO, their ramp angles are similar, but the Tecnica has the more forward lean. They definitely have less forward lean with the spoilers removed, although the Tecnica will still have a lot.
4. The Lange and the Atomic will be a bit touchy off the groomers. The Tecnica is easy to free ski (if it works for you), although the Race R may not be.
5. Due to Tecnica aquiring Nordica, the Tecnica Race was a joint effort between the Nordica and Tecnica race staff. That said, they are VERY different. One of the biggest differences is that the Tecnica has more forward lean and is higher volume.
6. No, at least not better than the new Lange. While Lange's results certainly dropped, the Tecnica is certainly not taking over the World Cup as the Atomic and Nordica have. I expect the new Lange's will be successful this year, although they certainly have much more competition from Atomic and Nordica. As always, IMO.