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Which of these K2's makes sense to buy?

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
I have found the following skis available in my length: the K2 T:Nine X (2003) for ~$270 without bindings, and the K2 T:Nine True Luv (2004) with integrated bindings for ~$500. My understanding is that the True Luv's are the updated version of the Nine X's. Presuming I were to spend about $100 on bindings for the Nine X's, I would still save about $130. I wonder if the differences between them (and the bindings) are worth the cost difference? Anyone with any opinions? Also, what bindings would be good with the Nine X's if I went that way? I appreciate any ideas.
post #2 of 26
Ella,
I think you are better off with the T:Nine X over the True Luv considering the price difference. If the comparison was with the One Luv then I would say go with the One Luv. I would recommend putting a Salomon S710 binding on the Nine X. The S710 has been one of the best bindings over the past few years and you can pick them up for $80-$100. Make sure you have the S710 lifter plate under the binding. Good Luck and have fun!
post #3 of 26
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Originally Posted by jake777
Ella,
I think you are better off with the T:Nine X over the True Luv considering the price difference. If the comparison was with the One Luv then I would say go with the One Luv. I would recommend putting a Salomon S710 binding on the Nine X. The S710 has been one of the best bindings over the past few years and you can pick them up for $80-$100. Make sure you have the S710 lifter plate under the binding. Good Luck and have fun!

I'm personally not a fan at all of solly's. Especially the lower end ones. I'd recommend look/rossi axial or pivot over those. Or marker piston's if you don't plan on going off-piste very often.
post #4 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks, Glint and Jake - very helpful. Do you or anyone else have an opinion about the Marker IBC 10 bindings that come with the True Luv's and how those would compare with other bindings I might get for the Nine X's in terms of quality and cost?
post #5 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ella
Thanks, Glint and Jake - very helpful. Do you or anyone else have an opinion about the Marker IBC 10 bindings that come with the True Luv's and how those would compare with other bindings I might get for the Nine X's in terms of quality and cost?
They are absolutely fine bindings. Most mid-range bindings from the various manufacturers are quite similar.
post #6 of 26
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Originally Posted by Ella
Thanks, Glint and Jake - very helpful. Do you or anyone else have an opinion about the Marker IBC 10 bindings that come with the True Luv's and how those would compare with other bindings I might get for the Nine X's in terms of quality and cost?
The Marker bindings are very good but are more expensive than the Salomon S710's that I had mentioned. I don't think you will notice a difference in performance if that's what you are asking.
post #7 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks. Any opinions about the Rossignol Axium 110 X-Plate S Bindings - 2003 ?
post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by Ella
Thanks. Any opinions about the Rossignol Axium 110 X-Plate S Bindings - 2003 ?
Good binding (better than the Markers for sure and IMO better than the Sollys, too). My wife is skiing the same binding on her T Nine Spire. I say go with it and the T Nine and save the cash!
post #9 of 26
For what it's worth---I've skied on Marker/Tyrolia/Salomon.

I just got a pair of Crossfires with the IBX 12 Piston and skied all over the place with them last week and find they release a bit later than my Tyrolia's. I turned them down a bit.

Also I've been skiing a LONG time and everytime I have been injured it has been on Sollys.........I still have a pair on the skis I use for western powder but I turn them well below the setting I should be skiing at..
post #10 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone - great forum. Thanks especially, Magoo, for the testimonial. if I don't have to make more decisions or do more research, I'm happier - at least in the short run.
post #11 of 26
Hi, Ella --

In case this helps at all, my skis are the T-Nine X's, which I bought last year.

I'm clueless about bindings, but the dealer recommended --

...hold on, let me look at the skis . . .

OK. Marker. M 1100 Titanium. Contact Control xi.

I'm very happy with both.

The other day I went on the K2women.com website, though, to ask why you don't see the T: Nine X advertised anymore and if it has been discontinued, what's the current equivalent in the Luv-line.

Here's the reply I got:

"Yes the change in names is sometimes confusing.* The latest and greatest that would be similar to the X is the One Luv.* It is an awesome all mountain cruiser. Megan McGrath K2 Alliance "
post #12 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks, Cryptica. I'm really glad to hear how much you like your T:Nine X's. The feedback from Megan, the K2 person, is interesting. By dimensions the X's more closely match the True Luv's, but by niche (marketing?) and functionality, they apparently more closely match the One Luv's. Either way is good with me. Were you thinking of getting a new pair of skis?
post #13 of 26
Hi Ella!
Welcome to Epicski! What level skier are you, and what terrain do you like to ski? The True Luvs seem to be a lower level ski, for skiers who prefer to stay on the groomed. I've learned recently that the ratings aren't always accurate.
For example, I am far from being an expert skier, but I found the Burnin Luv's to be one of the most exciting skis out there. I did find them to be a bit stiff when skiing bumps, and since that's where I'm trying to improve, they were not my first choice.

I f you are in the process of trying to improve your skills, don't go with a ski that's so low end that you'll outgrow them in a year.
post #14 of 26
Ella & LisaMarie --

I got the sense on the K2 women's board (barely anybody posts there, by the way) that the True Luv, as Lisamarie points out, is indeed more for groomers and the One Luv more capable of off-piste as well as groomers and the Burnin' seems for stronger, more aggressive skiers.

I love my T-Nine X's, but maybe I'd like the One Luvs, too. I don't think I need new skis yet, but I wrote to K2 because I was worried they were dropping the X, where it sounds like they've maybe re-named and tweaked it.

I'm an intermediate, a Level 6 on the cusp of 7 and while in my heart, I'm happy on Blue Groomers, in reality, I'm always taking lessons or clinics, where I'm pushed (sorry, "encouraged") into harder terrain than I'd go on if left to my own devices. (Which means Blacks and off-piste sometimes).

In the past I'd rented Atomics and Bandits, but a really great dealer said to get the T:Nine X's because I'm not an agressive skier and he said the X is a "more forgiving ski" with "more flex." But he said it's also a great ski to grow with and would be good for both off-piste and groomers.

I've found that to be true. And the fact that K2 donates part of their profits to the Susan G. Koman Breast Cancer Foundation is really wonderful.

The only thing I hate about K2's are how ugly the colors and flowery designs are. I don't like that flamboyant stuff. Whatever happened to the old days when you had the Aundrey Hepburn of skis, Heads. . . a simple plain black ski with a white dot on the tip, as I recall. So elegant!
post #15 of 26
Cryptica, I hate to corrupt you, but give the Burnin' Luvs a try. I mean demo them, just once. I am probably the least likely female on this forum to ever be described as an aggresive woman...... UH I mean Skier but the Burnin' Luvs definitely bring on a personality change. They are incredibly stable at very high speeds; speeds I never thought I could ever ski at.

While I didn't get them for reasons mentioned above, demoing them a few times turned me into an adrenaline junkie. Ironically, now I sometimes get yelled at (sorry, corrected in a LOUD VOICE) by one of my instructors for straightlining. This, from someone who used to never face the falline.

So give them a try, just for the heck of it.
post #16 of 26
Thread Starter 
Hi Cryptica and LisaMarie,

I don't know what level of skier I am as far as number, but I finally am able to ski easy blacks (which might be hard blues according to some folks' assessment) with relative confidence. Want to become able to handle powder when the chance comes up. Bumps, on the other hand, are not my friends. I had a traumatic past experience on something the instructor took us on called Mogul Magic or Mogul Madness or Mogul Murder, most likely. :

I also am not able to ski very often at all, so really I can only justify buying skis if they are relatively inexpensive. I don't like being limited to renting from the limited selection in shorter women's skis the shops happen to have on a given day. And besides all that, even though I am still improving each time I go skiing, I don't know that I can fight off middle-aged creeping decrepitude much longer. So I think I'd prefer to take my chances that I might outgrow the skis, rather than risk finding them too hard to control initially. (Had a past traumatic experience along those lines with a pair of very stiff Atomics the shop talked me into renting).

Cryptica, I agree with you about the K2's graphics - why do they have to make them so girly and yet so loud - at least for the higher end models? The names leave much to be desired, too. Guess they're aiming for the youth market. I think they should hire us for an online focus group!:
post #17 of 26

Amen, ladies!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ella
...Cryptica, I agree with you about the K2's graphics - why do they have to make them so girly and yet so loud - at least for the higher end models? The names leave much to be desired, too. Guess they're aiming for the youth market. I think they should hire us for an online focus group!:
Ain't that the truth!

And the same goes for the "men's" skis from K2.

I read in here where someone said that they would never buy a ski based on the graphics, but that they would certainly not buy a ski based on ugly graphics!

I concur.

Considering a pair of K2's myself. I'm thinking of renting demos and taking another look when next year's skis are released. If I just had to have 'em, then I could easily overlook the topsheet art (they're usually covered with snow anyway). But the ones I am considering are just so ugly...to me.
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie
Also I've been skiing a LONG time and everytime I have been injured it has been on Sollys.........I still have a pair on the skis I use for western powder but I turn them well below the setting I should be skiing at..
Meanwhile, I can't stay in a Salomon at 3 points over my suggested setting.

YMMV

Someone said the Axium was clearly better than a 710 in their opinion. It has a two piece heel. That has clear disadvantages compared to a 3 piece heel as per the 710. None of this really matters enough to worry about. Buy what looks nice and is priced well.
post #19 of 26
Thread Starter 
Hmmm, Okay for all you bindings gurus, I know next to nothing about bindings and could use further advice. Thanks to those of you who have already voted - please feel free to vote again.

I am a cautious, middle-aged, smallish, light-to-average weight female, who has just started feeling comfortable on easy blacks and who has aspirations to become more adventurous, but slowly; and who has discovered that women-specific skis help me improve. Oh yeah, I do fall but have never injured myself physically (pride is another issue)....yet.

Here are the bindings that I could purchase because they would be easily available:

Marker 1100 Contact Control si $130

Salomon C610 CP $100
Salomon S710 CP $130

Rossignol Axium 100 X-plate $90
Rossignol Axium 110 X-plate 2003 $80
Rossignol Saphir 100 women's $80
Rossignol Saphir 100X plate women's $90

Look Pivot 10 Lifter 03/04 $160
Look Nova 10 Maxplate 02/03 $70
Look Nova Exclusive Lifter $130

Atomic Xentric 3.10 $100

More opinions, education, votes? Thanks.
post #20 of 26
Ella- BUY the skis and bindings already! Get out and enjoy some new equipment! Get skiing!
My wife is 5'7", 125 lb, mid-forties (and don't tell her I told you any of that!). She likes to ski blues - sometimes black - and will ski about one mogul run a day. Like you, she has aspirations to be a bit more adventurous, but she really just wants to have a nice time and ski comfortably. Fine by me, I love skiing with her wherever!
She has the K2 Spire and absolutely LOVES it! The Rossi Axium 110 binding is perfect, too. It does not weigh a bunch, and having lighter weight equipment is more comfortable to her -- she always comments about how much she loves her current set up.
I say get the Axium 110, which is a steal at $79.
Finally, take the money you're saving on the screamin' deals you've found, and take a Jeannie Thoren (www.jeanniethoren.com) clinic. You'll learn more in a day with Jeannie than you could ever imagine. I will testify that I've seen bigger improvement in MANY womens skiing in one day with Jeannie than from week-long lessons. As a bonus, EVERY women that I know that has taken the clinic has more fun skiing because of what they've learned from Jeannie. And isn't that what its all about?
post #21 of 26
Thank God I've finally found people who agree with me about the colors and graphics on skis! Whenever I kvetch to expert skiers or instructors (usually the ones with lime green skis), they look at me as if I'm shallow and vapid. But that's the point! I AM shallow and vapid! I don't want a red jacket and blue boots and yellow skis and green poles and everything with gigantic logos splattered everywhere. I don't know any women who dress in garish, mis-matching colors in real life--why should we have to look so bad skiing. I would love to meet a ski manufacturer or ski wear president and ask how they come up with these things.

The standard answer is always, "Oh, it starts with the Europeans. They prefer it. Or it's young people." They prefer it. But do they?? Or do they not have any choice.

I was terrified when I was shopping for ski boots that I'd end up with some hideous flourescent pair, but fortunately for me, the ones that fit best were a not-so-offensive gray. (But why can't they make BLACK boots?) What IS offensive is the color of my trusty K2: T-Nine X's ...they're a yecchy cordovan color with transluscent silvery flowers down the side. Then again, the 2003 T: Nine X's were red and yellow. Maybe these are an improvement.

Lisamarie, you really have me intrigued, though. I'm going to be in Whistler next Wednesday for a week -- if they have the Burnin' Luvs, I'll see about trying them out for a day. Er. . . .aren't they orange, though? I can't bear it!
post #22 of 26
Ella / Lisamarie --

I just went over to the k2women board and downloaded some interesting
back & forth about the "Luv" skis and will post it below.

I also left a message on the thread where a few people were discussing the new ski graphics that there are a whole bunch of us around the country who'd love to be in a focus group and to let us know how we can apply!

Anyway -- here's some Luv scoop from a couple of skiers on the board:

"Q: Just demo'd Burnin Luv in Durango and I loved them. The specs say this ski is for a level black and I'm definitely more of a groomed blue/black level. I'm wondering if I would enjoy One Luv more? What is the main difference between the two skis? Deanna AZ

COMMENTS:
Deanna
If the ski felt great to you then that is a good indication for sure. If you are sticking to the groomers and want to progress, then you really can't go wrong with the Burnin Luv. The Burnin Luv has a sheet of metal in it that gives it nice spunk and rebound. The beefer construction means that the ski is happiest going faster.
The One Luv has no metal...so it won't feel quite as snappy but more forgiving...some people don't enjoy the snap.
Megan McGrath
K2 Alliance

COMMENT:
Hi Deanna,
I am a Level 3 certified ski instructor out here in Lake Tahoe and I was involved in our ski school's women's ski program for seven years. I hope my opinion helps you out a bit...

I have just fallen in love with my Burnin' Luvs this year! They are a full-blown advanced ski, not a watered-down version just for the ladies. Although the sidecut dimensions are the same, the metal laminate in the Burnin' Luvs add that extra stiffness that you might not always enjoy, especially as you are skiing more in the black / off-piste areas. Although I have not skied on the One Luv's, it sounds as though you might enjoy them in more terrain that the Burnin' Luvs.

Just my humble opionion...go try 'em out!
Julie

COMMENT:
Yes Deanna, I agree with Julia. You will notice the difference more at the end of the day. The One Luv will be more forgiving and you won't have to 'work' the ski as much.
Megan McGrath
K2 Alliance

COMMENT:
Hi Deanna,
I am definitely not an expert skier. I ski mostly blue runs and an occasional black run, mostly groomed. I ski only the most modest of bumps. Still, I love the Burnin' Luv. Ski what works for you; don't worry about classifications, they are only a guideline. There are no "ski police", as far as I know. Demo everything that interests you and then make your choice.
Have fun!
Abby in the Pacific Northwest
post #23 of 26
Thread Starter 
Cryptica - I don't find the Nine:X's as bad as this year's One-Burnin-Phat colors/designs. Think of it as "burgundy" or "merlot" rather than cordovan.....

I think I'm going to stick with the Nine:X's. I read a review somewhere that says their testers liked the Burnin Luv the most, but after that preferred the True Luv over the One Luv. I know I don't need or like stiff skis. But I'll be interested in hearing your take if you decide to demo them. I think if I read LisaMarie's other messages correctly, she realllllly likes the Dynastar Legend Exclusive, perhaps even more than the Burnin Luv.

Magoo - I hear ya - but unfortunately I can't get out on the snow for a while, so I have plenty of time to dawdle on the choice of bindings. (I have the skis home, still in plastic). The bindings I've spotted for $79 are the Axium, not the Axial. Does your wife have the Axium or the Axial?
post #24 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cryptica
Thank God I've finally found people who agree with me about the colors and graphics on skis! Whenever I kvetch to expert skiers or instructors (usually the ones with lime green skis), they look at me as if I'm shallow and vapid. But that's the point! I AM shallow and vapid! I don't want a red jacket and blue boots and yellow skis and green poles and everything with gigantic logos splattered everywhere. I don't know any women who dress in garish, mis-matching colors in real life--why should we have to look so bad skiing. I would love to meet a ski manufacturer or ski wear president and ask how they come up with these things.

The standard answer is always, "Oh, it starts with the Europeans. They prefer it. Or it's young people." They prefer it. But do they?? Or do they not have any choice.

I was terrified when I was shopping for ski boots that I'd end up with some hideous flourescent pair, but fortunately for me, the ones that fit best were a not-so-offensive gray. (But why can't they make BLACK boots?) What IS offensive is the color of my trusty K2: T-Nine X's ...they're a yecchy cordovan color with transluscent silvery flowers down the side. Then again, the 2003 T: Nine X's were red and yellow. Maybe these are an improvement.

Lisamarie, you really have me intrigued, though. I'm going to be in Whistler next Wednesday for a week -- if they have the Burnin' Luvs, I'll see about trying them out for a day. Er. . . .aren't they orange, though? I can't bear it!
Buy your equipment based on what is the best for you. If 2 are equal and 1 has a color or pattern you prefer then buy that. Otherwise, buy the best equipment. Nobody sees your skis when you are skiing anyway! And if they do, then they should get a life or enter the fashion industry.
post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by Ella
Magoo - I hear ya - but unfortunately I can't get out on the snow for a while, so I have plenty of time to dawdle on the choice of bindings. (I have the skis home, still in plastic). The bindings I've spotted for $79 are the Axium, not the Axial. Does your wife have the Axium or the Axial?
Sorry for the confusion -- she skis the Axium. I'll edit/correct my post.
I stand by my comments that you'll appreciate the lighter weight of those bindings!
post #26 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the clarification, Magoo. Now I'm vacillating, but the Axiums are on the short list of two.
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