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post #1 of 19
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Well we decided to take a chance and hit Jay Peak to ski today and tomorrow. We drove up last night and had a blast at the Inglenook Lodge last night drinking and singing karaoke with the owners and their kids who run it.

The ride up was pretty disturbing because of all the rain and warm temps.

This morning we get up early, eat breakfast, and head to Jay. When we bought the day lift ticket there was no trail report out yet so we asked the girl at the ticket window. She had no clue.

The lifts were supposed to start at 8:30 so we are out there for first chair. We ask a liftie when the lift is gonna open and he says it's gonna be awhile. After standing outside for awhile we go in and wait. After watching people slide down dirt and ice incline where the ski racks are we decide to go ask the ski patrol what's up. They said the lifts are on hold and they are running behind. This is now close to 9:30 so we decide to try to get a voucher to come back.

The lift ticket girl was no help when we ask for a voucher because Jay has a "All Sales Final" policy but that is with a trail report. A Jay employee was just handing her one when we were standing there. So she says, "What do you expect, it rained yesterday." I was like no shit.

So we go to the Customer Service desk and tell them the deal. One of the girls behind the counter yells out, "What do you expect, it rained yesterday."

I was like WTF, nice customer service. Then I tell them that no lifts are loading. They assure me that the mountain is open and that they are loading. They give us a voucher which is cool because I really want to ski there later in the season.

Just for the hell of it I drive past the quad where we were waiting and surprise, people were still waiting.

We drive back to the lodge and the owner calls Jay to see the situation so she could tell her guests when they ask. She calls and they tell her the lifts are running. Then she says, "Really?" They then tell her that the upper mountain is closed for safety reasons and it may be another 1.5 hours.

We bow out and decide to drive to Smuggs and Stowe just to see the mountains and check out the base lodges and grab lunch.

We were seeing green lawns on the way to Smuggs and not too much snow on the ground. The trails at Smuggler's Notch were in pretty rough shape too.

Then we drove to Stowe to check out the terrain because we had never been there. There trails looked pretty horrendous too. I can't wait to hit that place in mid winter because the front four look sweet.

So if you were wondering what the conditions were like at those three mountains they were rain, ice, dirt, and wind.

I need to move out West very soon.
post #2 of 19
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Originally Posted by Scalce
So if you were wondering what the conditions were like at those three mountains they were rain, ice, dirt, and wind.
I was out there in the wind skiing the dirt and ice at Stowe. It skiied just like it looked.
post #3 of 19
Bummer! Whitetail hard against the Mason-Dixon line had good cover on their predominately south facing slopes! They are good at making tons of snow whenever they get a chance, they had some cold weather the week before last and managed to have a busy christmas week. Today was my first day there this season, very uncrowded typically for new years day and especially because no one would have believed there could be any fun to be had there after a week of summery temps. The slush didn't even get real deep but it was a little sticky. It seemed like there was still some air in the snow, a little bit of mashed potatos instead of pure sizzly slurpee. I'd tell you to come on down but I think it will be all gone by next weekend!
post #4 of 19
WTF??

I skied Sugarbush on Wednesday, and my wife skied there on Thursday. Conditions were not nearly that bad. We drove home yesterday in a light rain, but nothing too disastrous.

Here's what I posted yesterday in another thread:

" Skied Sugarbush Tues. and Wed. stayed home on a beautiful sunny Thursday with a sick kid while my wife skied!

Conditions were pretty good on the snowmaking trails. Anything without snowmaking was thin, rocky, and ice crust below a few inches of fresh light powder. A few snowmaking trails were very skied off - i.e. Organgrinder - skiable with decent cover but pretty firm. Ripcord was dust on crust with plenty of uncovered shrubbery showing through.

However there were plenty of trails with very good conditions at both North and South. Continuous light snow in the early part of the week made for some great soft cruising on about 2 dozen groomed runs such as Elbow, and Jester. On Wednesday, they opened Stein's after some intense snowmaking, and it was beautiful with widely spaced soft bumps, top to bottom. My legs were screaming on Stein's since this was my first trip of the season.

Never made it over to check on Castlerock, but I doubt if it would have been skiable without rock skis. They still need an 18+ inch dump, and the bad news was that today it was lightly raining all over Vermont, as we drove home.

All in all, a pretty good first trip, and my wife reports that Thusday was fantastic skiing. Way below normal snow right now, but stick to the groomers, and the skiing is still quite good."
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by carvemeister
WTF??

I skied Sugarbush on Wednesday, and my wife skied there on Thursday. Conditions were not nearly that bad. We drove home yesterday in a light rain, but nothing too disastrous.
The rain on Friday washed away the 20 inches of snow Jay got earlier in the week. This winter has been so up and down. Skiing 3 weeks ago was way better than the last two. Is it ever going to snow? or at least be cold enough to make snow?

At least seeing the other mountains was fun. Smuggs was a lot bigger than I thought it was. I just wish someone told us though the 108 is closed between Smuggs and Stowe - that was a detour we weren't prepared for!
post #6 of 19
That bites, Scalce. Lousy customer service is one reason people don't get "into" skiing.

Most Western resorts have a one hour policy.....you don't like the snow? You can get a pass for another day. Out here, the moneygrubbers don't care.

We were at Bousquet Thursday and today. It was absolutely beautiful on Thursday day, icy at night (linoleum with a dusting of powdered sugar so it was incredibly FAST), and today it was really not that bad. Come on down to Western Mass. It's cheap and fun.
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by xrisi421
The rain on Friday washed away the 20 inches of snow Jay got earlier in the week. This winter has been so up and down. Skiing 3 weeks ago was way better than the last two. Is it ever going to snow? or at least be cold enough to make snow?

At least seeing the other mountains was fun. Smuggs was a lot bigger than I thought it was. I just wish someone told us though the 108 is closed between Smuggs and Stowe - that was a detour we weren't prepared for!
He he, that route has been closed in winter every year for years!!:
post #8 of 19
Conditions were pretty good here on Wednesday and Thursday too. It rained hard enough on Friday night for the pounding on the roof to wake me up.

Speaking of refunds.... I skiied all day in the rain on Friday. At 3:30 I was at the front desk checking out for the day and people were there asking for refunds because of the rain. WTF? After skiing all day? They did get thier refunds though, with no hassles!
post #9 of 19
The wife and I drove up to Sugarloaf in Maine on Friday. If it was gonna snow anywhere, it would have been either Sugarloaf or Jay... We stopped at Sunday River, our 'home' mountain on the way thinking to ski a half day there. It was pouring rain so we stopped in a few ski shops, had lunch, and then drove the rest of the way to Sugarloaf...

The road to the mountain was closed for a little while on Friday due to icy roads (a good sign I thought - maybe snow on the mountain). Saturday mourning... In the Java coffee shack some folks tell us that it's miserable. It looks miserable. But hey, we came all this way... We checked out the voucher policy: they give you roughly an hour to try it out. As Epic wrote: "It skied like it looked." We were as worried about damaging our equipment as we were about getting hurt on the golfball-sized ball bearing surface. The vouchers are good anytime at any of the American Skiing Company Mountains (Killington, Sunday River, Attitash, Mt. Snow, Steamboat, The Canyons, Sugarloaf).

Winter in New England: Skiers Paradise! (Just make sure to always have a 'plan B')
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by epic
Conditions were pretty good here on Wednesday and Thursday too. It rained hard enough on Friday night for the pounding on the roof to wake me up.

Speaking of refunds.... I skiied all day in the rain on Friday. At 3:30 I was at the front desk checking out for the day and people were there asking for refunds because of the rain. WTF? After skiing all day? They did get thier refunds though, with no hassles!
Once I was skiing in the rain, only one beginner lift was running, I didn't see any other customers. They told me I could have a free pass for another day if I would leave now. Then they shut the lift down and we all went home.
post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 
I am all for skiing on ice and have done it many times. I have even skied in the rain a few times.

But it was not worth ripping up my skis and possibly getting hurt on nasty conditions.

Stowe actually looked more skiable then Jay but all you could hear was scraping at the midway lodge and base lodge.

We didn't know about the Route 108 winter closing but now we do.

All in all I was happy to see some mountains and towns that I had never been to.
post #12 of 19
Not too different for us, We save $150.00 by not skiing Killington yesterday. Conditions were scetchy..at best.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by Scalce
I am all for skiing on ice and have done it many times. I have even skied in the rain a few times.

But it was not worth ripping up my skis and possibly getting hurt on nasty conditions.

Stowe actually looked more skiable then Jay but all you could hear was scraping at the midway lodge and base lodge.

We didn't know about the Route 108 winter closing but now we do.

All in all I was happy to see some mountains and towns that I had never been to.
The Vt natives can correct me if this is not right, I think that pass is called Smugglers Notch.
post #14 of 19
It is funny that my little western Mass hill has plenty of snow---a bit scratchy in spots---but all in all --- very good coverage. Skied last Monday (Cold), Bonni skied Thursday (great snow) Thursday night with Kee Tov--(hard in some spots) and went again yesterday. Yesterday was pretty hard over most of the hill, but still fun on the edges where something akin to corn was growing!
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by Scalce
I am all for skiing on ice and have done it many times. I have even skied in the rain a few times.

But it was not worth ripping up my skis and possibly getting hurt on nasty conditions.

Stowe actually looked more skiable then Jay but all you could hear was scraping at the midway lodge and base lodge.

We didn't know about the Route 108 winter closing but now we do.

All in all I was happy to see some mountains and towns that I had never been to.
I'm not all for skiing on ice, it's the worst condition, except roots and rocks. Actually I prefer roots, but ice is better than rocks and dirt. Skiing in the rain is also very unpleasant, when I looked up miserable in my illustrated dictionary I saw a picture of a guy skiing in the rain. The only saving grace of rain is it sometimes can soften the ice.

You got skunked, shoulda been there yesterday, etc. No reason to make it worse by actually skiing. Sorry you got hassled about the refund. You will get back there when the snow is good.
post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
You know to call it a day when the liftie is shoveling ice onto the loading ramp to cover up dirt and concrete.

Hey it was a chance and we took it. It happens and we knew the risks.

It would have sucked if we went to bed early on Friday night like alot of the other guests did. We stayed up and drank and had a blast.

We were still the first people up in the lodge and the first people out on the hill at Jay.
post #17 of 19
Bayberry
Just got back from 9 days at the Loaf. Sorry you hit the worst day. Conditions really varied from 3 inches of powder to buttery groomers to freezing rain to New Years Day which was bad and icy after all the rain. I took one run and took a day off skiing. Yesterday it cooled down and they made a lot of snow which helped a bit. This morning when we headed home one lift was running because of the winds. What a winter.
post #18 of 19
I skied Sunday River yesterday and they had been working hard so it was in fair shape. By all accounts Saturday had been pretty crap conditions after Friday's rain. They had been making good snow on white heat which was fun. Otherwise pretty much regular Sunday River, you need to keep your edges well tuned, but most runs open.
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by skier_j
The Vt natives can correct me if this is not right, I think that pass is called Smugglers Notch.
Well, I'm not a Vermont native, but Rt. 108 from Stowe (the resort) to Jeffersonville is definitely called Smuggler's Notch. There's a reason that road is closed in the winter! Very narrow (there are places that I doubt you could squeeze two cars past each other) and extremely steep on the Stowe side (25% grade for the last half mile). Big boulders all along the sides of the road.
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