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post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
Hey Everyone,

I just bought my son a pair of K2's with integrated MOD 10 Bindings for Christmas. I came home from work yesterday and he had mounted and adjusted the bindings using information he received from the online supplier. WOW...what an easy process that the ski shop would charge an arm a leg to have done.
post #2 of 26
Ooh, glad I saw this...

I bought K2's with integrated IBC 11.0 bindings. It looks really easy, no drilling or anything required. However, there's a big warning that the tech needs to do it for safety reasons.

I've set Din's before, but never actually calibrated bindings. Is this something easy enough to do that I should save the $20 or so?

Also, that price includes a wax. Do brand new skis need to be waxed and tuned?
post #3 of 26
Thread Starter 
It was very easy and I would definitely recommend saving the $20 (provided the DIN settings are correct)...as far as waxing I am not sure if it is needed
post #4 of 26
Your son's leg is worth less than 20 bucks?
post #5 of 26
Thread Starter 
What kind of question is that? You must be the lead binding mounter at a ski shop? There is no way they should charge $20 for three minutes of work.
post #6 of 26
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Originally Posted by ski_ep
What kind of question is that? You must be the lead binding mounter at a ski shop? There is no way they should charge $20 for three minutes of work.
Then people should stop filing lawsuits against ski techs and/or manufacturers when they get hurt.
post #7 of 26
Yo Ski_EP,
Why don't you just get Jay Cupolo to mount them for you, since you've been such a big fan of his here!
post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by troutman
Then people should stop filing lawsuits against ski techs and/or manufacturers when they get hurt.
Gimme a break. The shops are making a killing raping people at $20 for a binding check.
post #9 of 26
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Originally Posted by ski_ep
What kind of question is that? You must be the lead binding mounter at a ski shop? There is no way they should charge $20 for three minutes of work.
Nope.

and JJ honey-- read first---open mouth next---insert foot last!

-- this thread is not about:

Qoute jjdow; Gimme a break. The shops are making a killing raping people at $20 for a binding check.Today 01:21 PM


The question was 20 bucks to mount and test and I believe wax the skis. Even if on rails there still is the question of setting the sole length, forward pressure and etc.

The first time I mounted these style binders, I had a tech look over what I'd done because I just wasn't sure what was what. It is not rocket science, but why take the risk on that first set?
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by jjdow
Gimme a break. The shops are making a killing raping people at $20 for a binding check.

Have you ever properly torque tested a binding? I doubt it.

Hmmmwhere did I read this.... If you don't know what you're talking about, why don't you keep your mouths shut?

And the reason all this has to be done is because of ambulance chasing lawyers taking 50% of the court winnings from people who won't take respocablity for their own actions. Sorry, is 50% a low estimate?
post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
Have you ever properly torque tested a binding? I doubt it.

Hmmmwhere did I read this.... If you don't know what you're talking about, why don't you keep your mouths shut?

And the reason all this has to be done is because of ambulance chasing lawyers taking 50% of the court winnings from people who won't take respocablity for their own actions. Sorry, is 50% a low estimate?
Maybe he can get the other half of that marker set!
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by skier_j
The question was 20 bucks to mount and test and I believe wax the skis. Even if on rails there still is the question of setting the sole length, forward pressure and etc.
Whoa, even wax the skis?!! Sliding the bindings on the rail takes like 2 seconds, setting the sole length and forward pressure are the same thing, a crank of a screw. When you're paying the big bucks for the skis with integrated bindings, the shops should set them up for nothing.
post #13 of 26
How often do you work for nothing, Mr. Dow?
I'll take one pre-nup and throw in a will, would ya?
Riiiiiiight.
post #14 of 26
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
Have you ever properly torque tested a binding? I doubt it.

And the reason all this has to be done is because of ambulance chasing lawyers taking 50% of the court winnings from people who won't take respocablity for their own actions. Sorry, is 50% a low estimate?
Phil, where'd you get your stats? Contingency is more like 33% or less. Have you ever been to a demo day? A guy with a posi-drive stands there and cranks you into the binding in 20 seconds. No torque test. If they were having problems and lawsuits, that wouldn't be happening.
post #15 of 26
I stand corrected on the wax---that was the first reply.

The first guy just said he bought the stuff----likely online---but thats a guess.

So, a shop should do all that for the price of the ski, but hey if you opt for online price and then go to a shop---they have every right to snick you for a mount fee or whatever---after all the profit went elsewhere.
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by jjdow
Phil, where'd you get your stats? Contingency is more like 33% or less. Have you ever been to a demo day? A guy with a posi-drive stands there and cranks you into the binding in 20 seconds. No torque test. If they were having problems and lawsuits, that wouldn't be happening.
These are also demo/rental bindings---made for ease of adjustment.
post #17 of 26
The only thing I can say about binding mounting is that it should be checked by an authorized dealer. Any binding, and it should be done once a year. If your a good customer at any shop they or most would do this for free.

If your sons binding does not release and it has not been tested you have nothing to fall back on. I do not mean sueing either, I mean working something out with the manufactuer if there is product failure. It happens you should be covered.

And yes it's dirtbag lawyers that have driven up some of the cost of skiing. Ask your favorite shop how much they pay thier insurance company for liabilty coverage. That 20 bucks won't seem like a rip off.

As far as demos go, those bindings are torque tested back at factory or distribution regularly. They do have to be tested each time they put a skier in them. Kinda like rentals 3 or 4 times a year rental shops go thru thier stuff or at least they should.
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by Bonni
How often do you work for nothing, Mr. Dow?
I'll take one pre-nup and throw in a will, would ya?
Riiiiiiight.
The key word is "work." Sliding a binding onto a rail and cranking the screw after taking upwards of $1,000 for the system and then charging an additional $20 is unconscionable.

Sorry, I don't need clients like you.
post #19 of 26
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Originally Posted by jjdow
Phil, where'd you get your stats? Contingency is more like 33% or less. Have you ever been to a demo day? A guy with a posi-drive stands there and cranks you into the binding in 20 seconds. No torque test. If they were having problems and lawsuits, that wouldn't be happening.
You really don't know do you? I have been to many demo days and I turned wrenches at most of the ones I attended. Demo & rental bindings do not have to be torqued every time out but systematicly throughout the year, this information can be found in each manufactures manual. When a consumer binding is adjusted for boot, remount or a simple weight or height change it has to be torqued to protect the shops from the faciast blood sucking lawyers. Also, if you have ever known anyone who has gone through the horrible act of a rape, you would not use the word. Your ignorance is really showing no bounds.

Past that... If you don't know what you're talking about, why don't you keep your mouths shut?
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by jjdow
Gimme a break. The shops are making a killing raping people at $20 for a binding check.
First of all, JJ, very few ski shops "make a killing" on anything.

Second, if a "release check" was merely adjusting the forward pressure screw two clicks, then I understand how people feel hosed.

The reality is that a release check is supposed to be more than that - 3 manual releases from each toe and each heel. The rig to do the heel test properly is somewhat cumbersome.

It is true that many shops skip the heel test, especially on newer bindings.

If you understood just how much of a binding company's business is dictated by their attorneys, you'd understand why shops charge for binding work.

And those useless releases you sign when you pick up your skis aren't worth the proverbial paper they are printed on.
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
Also, if you have ever known anyone who has gone through the horrible act of a rape, you would not use the word.
You're really something. Your pontificating knows no bounds. This isn't your classroom, Pug, and I'll say what I want.
post #22 of 26
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Originally Posted by jjdow
Gimme a break. The shops are making a killing raping people at $20 for a binding check.
Ya! they are getting rich and vacationing in the Caribbean off of $20 binding mounts and checks!

Get a frickin'clue!

Do you know how hard it is to make a buck as a retailer? Particularly one where discounted gear has become common place and you are at the mercy of the weather.

When you're a loyal customer good shops take good care of you over the years and you easily get your lousy 20 bones back. It is you cheap skates that cut your nose off to spite your face!

You guys who are bitchin' about $20 are the cheapest MF's I have ever seen. Particularly when it comes to your own safety.

did you ever think, they have to pay rent, utilites, insurance , salaries, taxes, euipment, maintenance!

Do you have any business sense at all??????

You are either democrat government workers or salaried clock punchers!

HELLO?
post #23 of 26
"The key word is "work." Sliding a binding onto a rail and cranking the screw after taking upwards of $1,000 for the system and then charging an additional $20 is unconscionable."
unless you are cleaning horse stalls or working in a coal mine most "work" these day doesn't meet your criteria. talk your local ski shop/ski rep about insurance and then get back to us about your measly 20$. binding work should be 50$ just to write the workorder.
supposedly there are now cases in court about people suing for bad tune ups?? and you wonder why shops have to charge money.
post #24 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjdow
The key word is "work." Sliding a binding onto a rail and cranking the screw after taking upwards of $1,000 for the system and then charging an additional $20 is unconscionable.

Sorry, I don't need clients like you.
Thank God! (and I'm an Agnostic!):

I wouldn't seek your services if I were on death row and you were the only thing going. WHEW!:
post #25 of 26
Ya know I told ya'all to ignore the JJ dude an he'd be gone for another month. Now it'll be a month and 2 days .

Shame on ya---all of ya.
post #26 of 26

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Originally Posted by ski_ep
What kind of question is that? You must be the lead binding mounter at a ski shop? There is no way they should charge $20 for three minutes of work.

It occured to me to check and see the tenor of your other posts---cuz that response I posted was was not really worthy of such a snide retort.

I see 12 posts all of which seem to be complaints of one sort or another.

see ya bye!! go have a beer with ole jj.
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