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post #31 of 55
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
See my edit above, added more comments.

The fischer deal is hot, move on it. I would tell my friend to get them if he didn't already have the stocklis, though the stocklis are a far better ski. Heck, I'd consider a pair myself, but I don't buy any more foam core cap skis these days, as a practice.

Get the 185....they will still feel like short little toys to you, until you get used to them. The 175's will be a joke, and are just not enough ski.
Big Stix 7.6 is not a foam core ski, but rather a carbon fiber/air/fiberglass ski.
post #32 of 55
Yeah, whatever is isn't going to be particularly heavy or beefy. I looked too. Fischer rates it as a level 7-8 ski......this is not a high end ski. Defintely a step down from something like the volkl 724 pros, head monster 75's, scream hots, etc, etc. Two steps down from a stockli, haha.

Get a 185 in it, if you must. It will still feel like a toy.

Those salomons would be ok, but I would go after a Look P12 or P14
post #33 of 55
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
Yeah, whatever is isn't going to be particularly heavy or beefy. I looked too. Fischer rates it as a level 7-8 ski......this is not a high end ski. Defintely a step down from something like the volkl 724 pros, head monster 75's, scream hots, etc, etc. Two steps down from a stockli, haha.

Get a 185 in it, if you must. It will still feel like a toy.
Have you skied the 7.6?
post #34 of 55
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
Yeah, whatever is isn't going to be particularly heavy or beefy. I looked too. Fischer rates it as a level 7-8 ski......this is not a high end ski. Defintely a step down from something like the volkl 724 pros, head monster 75's, scream hots, etc, etc. Two steps down from a stockli, haha.
depends on your technique... light finesse skiers can get away with more on lighter skis. bigger skiers and more athletic/"jumpy" skiers are going to find a lot of modern skis floppy because they're not designed for such skiers or skiing styles, unfortunately.

while torsion box construction is dependable and familiar, it's not the end game. how do you explain all FIS top skiing on non-torsion box skis?
post #35 of 55
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Originally Posted by Coach13
Have you skied the 7.6?
c'mon coach, you don't have to actually try a ski before you call it a piece of shyte or a toy...
post #36 of 55
I did ski the big stix 8.0 in a 180 cm (twin) this year at a demo. It wasn't bad, but I would consider it a toy, yes.
post #37 of 55
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Originally Posted by gonzostrike
depends on your technique... light finesse skiers can get away with more on lighter skis. bigger skiers and more athletic/"jumpy" skiers are going to find a lot of modern skis floppy because they're not designed for such skiers or skiing styles, unfortunately.
Not enough ski, is not enough ski, bucko, even with modern technique.

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Originally Posted by gonzostrike
while torsion box construction is dependable and familiar, it's not the end game. how do you explain all FIS top skiing on non-torsion box skis?
The vast majority are on rectangular sidewall skis, torsion box or sandwitch construction. Few caps.
post #38 of 55
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Originally Posted by gonzostrike
c'mon coach, you don't have to actually try a ski before you call it a piece of shyte or a toy...
That's about what I figured.

I haven't skied the Stocklis, but the 7.6 is definitely not a step down from the 724 pro, the hots, or the Head 75s.

If I hadn't just bought a pair of 8000's, I'd jump on the 7.6 at that price.
post #39 of 55
Thread Starter 
Well then it looks like I'm buying a toy - because that price is just wayyy too sweet.

At some point I'm sure I'll update my quiver, but likely in the offseason when prices are more reasonable.
post #40 of 55
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
I did ski the big stix 8.0 in a 180 cm (twin) this year at a demo. It wasn't bad, but I would consider it a toy, yes.
The 8.0 is quite a bit softer than either the 7.6 or the 8.6, and a different animal all together. About the only quality the 8.0 shares with the other 2 is the BigStix nameplate.
post #41 of 55
Highway Star is exaggerating a bit. Stocklis do have a feel that is definitely notches above most current skis made by even reputable makers like Fischer, Atomic, Blizzard, Head. Whether that feel is actually better for any given skier is another question entirely.

for skiers who demand a ski that feels like it's pretty dead until about 45mph, Stocklis are the call. most such skiers are prone to calling everything else a "noodle" or "toy" or likewise. they're the reason Stockli skis are available in the USA.
post #42 of 55
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Originally Posted by Coach13
That's about what I figured.

I haven't skied the Stocklis, but the 7.6 is definitely not a step down from the 724 pro, the hots, or the Head 75s.

If I hadn't just bought a pair of 8000's, I'd jump on the 7.6 at that price.
I have have skied the hot's, and 724 pro, and did not like them, btw. I absolutely hate Volkl cap skis. I have a pair of 185 extra hots which I in general do like.

I would consider the 8.0 a margial step down. Judging from the description fisher gives, the 7.6 coulds be considered a step down.

You haven't ever skied a stockli........well, I rest my case.
post #43 of 55
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Originally Posted by Coach13
The 8.0 is quite a bit softer than either the 7.6 or the 8.6, and a different animal all together. About the only quality the 8.0 shares with the other 2 is the BigStix nameplate.
Fair enough then. I will check them out next time I come across them. I have historically liked fischers.
post #44 of 55
Bit of a highjack -- I'm about to jump on the bigstix bandwagon assuming we don't clean out STP today. Any thoughts on 175 cm bigstix 7.6 for a 5'9", 175 lb skier? (Me, that is). Any reason not to mount it with Salomon S810s going un-used in my basement?

These would be for east coast crud / powder days and - in my dreams - trips out west. Have two hard-snow carvers (Volkl P50 race stock in 156, and Dynastar Speed SX in 170), and they're tough to handle (or I'm incapable of handling) in deep or choppy stuff.
post #45 of 55
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier
Gonz

that is a great deal on the Fischers. At that price it is probably worth taking a chance without demoing. Have you skied on them? Anyone else out there with experience of them?
I just demoed them toady. The skis are light and quick, but also strong and stable. They worked very well on the worst possible conditions: 45F and raining and above the coulds in 20ft visibilty in southern PA. My full review is below:

Ski Make: Fischer
Ski Model: Big stix 7.6
Ski Length: 175
Snow Conditions Used In: Spring Conditions: Light crud Corn/Crud, Ice, Bumps, hard pack
Number of Days Used: 1
Your Ability: 8
How Many Years Have You Been Skiing: 13
Avg. Days per Year Skiing: 25
Other Skis You Like: Volkl 5* 168,
Your Height/Weight: 5' 10” / 200 lbs.
Comments:
This was the ski I was most looking forward to Demoing. I found it to be amazingly light and surprisingly stiff. The result is a lively and well rounded ski that excels in most conditiosn I experienced today. The ski has a nice rebound, but is not exactly bouncy. The flex is very smooth. It, is good in a variety of turn shapes and likes to carve. This ski is very good on ice. The light weight made bumps very do able for this wider ski and I was glad of the ski's good edges on some icy bumps. Also it does well in softer stuff. Cuts right throught the softer snow to hard pack beneath. Most of the groomers were iced over and this was able to carve through that crust. It is stable at speed (considering how light it is) on icy / waterlogged groomers. The only negative: the tails washed out on me a couple of times when I tried to crank some short turns in a tight spot on an icy groomer. The ski was a breeze on softer snow. The graphite core has a weird feeling for a guy who is used to wood cored K2s and Volkls. I might like it even more if I had more ride time to get used to it.
post #46 of 55
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
Fair enough then. I will check them out next time I come across them. I have historically liked fischers.
I have skied both. I liked the 8.0s beter than the 7.6 for my self. If anything the 7.6 is more ski. Its stiffer, lighter, has less of a sweet spot, and requires more of the pilot. The feel is also completly different. Both have similar performance. Both are torsionally pretty stiff, butthe tip of the 8.0's tip is almost flopppy and skis smoother. The 7.6 is lighter but stiffer and it instantly reacts when you move it. Since it has less weight of its own so you have to stay centered and drive it through crud, ice, etc...

The only comparison is that of a rapier and a broad sword.
post #47 of 55

2004 vs 2005

This is a very helpful discussion, and I'm beginning to think that the Sierra Trading Post deal is in fact the right deal for me. However, one thing that still vexes me is the specific ski on Sierra Trading Post, which appears to be a 2004 and the ski that people are conveying their demo experiences for, which I presume to be a 2005 (red ski vs. the gray ski at SierraTradingpost.)

In reading the descriptions for the 2005, they refere a great deal to the 21% reduction in the ski weight from the previous years. I just wanted to understand whether or not the comments people are making about these skis refer to the 2004 that is available for a good price or to the new 2005, which may in fact behave entirely differently from the previous year's ski? Or, is it possible that the two are really sufficiently similar that the only "real" difference is the graphic?

I am new to these skis, so please excuse any lack of relevant background.

Cheers.
post #48 of 55
It is the same ski. The weight reduction came with the new carbon fiber construction in Fischer skis - which the 7.6 was 'born' with. Graphics were the only change. Peter Keelty is one source that confirms this (http://www.ts2003.com/).
post #49 of 55
Anybody know the weight of this ski in a 185?

Thanks!
post #50 of 55
anyone who wants the STP deal on the fischer 7.6 in 175 length, do it now. their web site says item is "almost gone."
post #51 of 55
Looks like this thread started a rush on them -I hope Gonzo was on commission!!!
post #52 of 55
the '04-'05 ski is marginally lighter, a tiny amount of grams that won't be noticeable in any way except for those folks who mount AT or Tele bindings and slog uphill, where the weight is more noticable. the topskin graphic is different. other than that they're the same ski as the '03-'04. no functional, skiing differences.

no commission, Scot... and I found it only after Utah49 mentioned that he'd seen them for $199, so you can imagine my surprise to find them marked down another $30 and STILL AVAILABLE.

we need to thank Utah49.

I got my binders for them in yesterday's UPS shipment. still waiting on the sticks.
post #53 of 55
The difference on the 7.6 is CFC core in the 04-05 vs Air Carbon core in the 03-04. I also demoed the Big Stix 8.0 04-05 this week. It uses the same Air Carbon core as last years 7.6. It was a very nice ski, I actually prefered the 8.0 to this years 7.6 in terms of feel.
post #54 of 55
Thread Starter 
This thread died a while ago but I figured I'd follow up.

Firstly, THANKS Utah49 for hooking me up with this deal.

I received the new skis and love them. I ended up going with a 175 instead of a 185. Overall a good move although the stability at speed sometimes is a little chattery. (note I am having a separate problem with my bindings which were not adjusted correctly so this problem may go away) My toe is rattling around like crazy which was not apparent out west/pow but back east on the bulletproof at Loon last weekend it was frightening. I'm not sure if that will fix the chatter at speed, and will report after this weekend at Stowe.

I have used them in Sun Valley for a week skiing steep groomers, backcountry, and bowls. Then I used them at Alta/Snowbird for a week in the pow, bumps, steeps, and backcountry. I have very little experience with the shaped skis and love how the angulation of my legs just absolutely rockets these skis into a tight turn. I feel like I am riding on rails. They were very good in the deep pow, not totally floaty like a full pow ski but very nice indeed. I felt like a god everywhere I skied. And that is a GOOD feeling!

Anyway all in all I am thrilled with my purchase. Especially at that price...thanks to all for the recommendations.
post #55 of 55
Thread Starter 
Oh also I really had to adjust the motion I was using in my turns to adjust for the shaped skis. I had a real old style "racers" technique full of up/down, stepping, etc. I really toned down the movement, focused on angulation, moved some of the weight onto the inside ski, and dropped my hips towards the ground. My stance was also a little wider on the new skis. Much less movement, and much more fun.
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