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Which shorty slalom

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Oh how I envy you guys who get to demo your new purchases.
I am so eager to buy a pair of short slaloms for all mountain use and due to the lack of demoing here in Scotland am going to be forced to take a chance and hope I order the right ones.I am considering salomon 3Vs, Rossi 9s, Head World cup Ti and Atomic 916.I have heard pro's and con's for all of them.
Now I love short turns in the fall line but also enjoy letting them run in gs turns when the mood takes me. They need to be pretty good in the bumps as there is no excaping them here, they can be pretty hard and icy in the early season. The runs tend to be narrow and often icy and powder is a rarity, Spring brings plent of slush piles and soft bumps.
My style is proberly qute traditional prefering a narrow stance especialy in the bumps though I can switch to new style when I want to.
I have been told that the 3V is very twitchy and proberly best left to the race course, thet the 9s is to stiff and that the head and atomic can be bent in the bumps.
Help someone please recommend a ski before I blow the cash on something pointless like this years council tax.
PS 5'8'' 160lb level 8 or there abouts
Thanks in advance [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #2 of 15
If you must go Salomon, skip the 3v and go with the 2V.

Are you planning on doing a lot of deep bumps? if you are not banging the deep bumps real hard (gentle skiing in the bumps) Atomic's or the Head TI would probably be a better choice.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 09, 2002 08:47 AM: Message edited 1 time, by dchan ]</font>
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
No I tend to avoid the real big bumps but rather like to zip through the smaller ones up to 2-3'.
Do the heads have as quick a response as the others as they seem to be pretty chunky?
post #4 of 15
I just got a pair of K2 Mach S'. I got it because it was rated as a top preforming slalom ski that was still a ski that could perform as a cruiser. I really like the ski but as demonstrated in this form, we all have our prefences. I think its a ski worth considering.
post #5 of 15
Hi Lat.,

In my opinion, if you are going to go with a shorty be prepared to ski it no longer than 160. I say this because a shorter length, without a doubt, outperforms a longer length in terms of sl racers. I think you would be selling yourself short if you didn't take full advantage of the ski design. (You would be pissed if you dropped $700+ on a pair of 170's knowing that the 160's are a better ski, don't you think?) That being said, I would advise you to check out the Stockli SLR. I had 9S's two years ago and the 3V's last year. The Stockli's are superior in every way. They are so solid and quick with so much snap that it puts a smile on face every run I take with them. Stockli also makes an awesome plate called the Stinflex which is machined out of aluminum which stiffens the ski even more. I have bought new SL and GS skis every year for the past 15 years, but I'm not planning on getting rid of my Stocklis's for next year, they are that good. I only race on them, no free skiing, so they should still be good for another season. Anyway, the 156 SLR is HIGHLY recommended

If you are looking for something which can carve some trenches like a shorty sl racer but is a little more friendly, check out the Fischer Race SC. This is my freeskiing weapon of choice this year in a 170. These things are real stable making big ol' GS turns and super quick down the fall line. I don't have a bad word to say about them. It's got sidecut of 115-64-97, and a nice big plate just waiting for you to mount with your binding of choice I would suggest the Race SC over a SL racer for everyday use, just my thoughts, hope it helped.
post #6 of 15
I own the 9.16 and the Mach S both in a 160. I prefer the K2. It is simply more forgiving than the Atomic.

Note: I pro rep for K2 and teach full time.
post #7 of 15
Heads are great skis but aren't very lively and the World Cup Ti's have a lot of metal, so they might be prone to bending...
post #8 of 15
I would suggest this years Salomon 3V, and whoever said to go with the 2V i would have to disagree with, although with a normal binding they might ski differently. I have them with the hangl race plate and they are deffinitly at home on groomed and the course only. See my posts here: http://www.epicski.com/cgi-bin/ultim...c&f=7&t=000140
This years 3V with the poweraxe race plate is great, very snappy, although requires good technique - it will pay off. Makes lots of turn shapes and is stable in GS turns. The dimensions are 105-64-94 so the wider tip handles cut up and deeper snow much better than the 2V.
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 
Wow I am so confused, we don't seem to get Stockli's in the UK and the Fishers have such a wide shovel I would be worried about their bump performance.
I feel drawn to the Salamons as that is what I am skiing at the moment and do enjoy the feel of them (Superaxe series 3Vs) but am still worried as to whether the latest race version is the best choice for an all mountain ski.
Hey Rusty Guy do your K2s have a speed limit? Peter Keelty quotes a lowish limit, how do you find the Atomics for all mountain sking? do you think that they will fit my style?
Can I have a vote on the Atomic,Head and Rossi? : bearing in mind I do like a narrowish stance and tend to ski as described in that thread before Xmas about skiing like a Snowboarder with lots of pivoting from the waist or hips, is that good or bad? [img]redface.gif[/img]
Help I only have a week to decide.
PS how about the Atomic 9.12
post #10 of 15
I use Rossi T Power Vipers which is the same ski as the 9s without the booger pickers on the tips. I have a 174 and it's fantastic in the bumps. Also smooth for short turns and big crankers. I vote for the Rossi. You won't be sorry.
post #11 of 15
I skied the T-power Viper back to back with my 3V's and the 3V's killed them in every area. The vipers are a stiffer ski actually, but the torsional stiffness of the vipers is much less than the 3V. the viper does not make as round of turns as the salomon, nor does it have the edge hold that the salomon has. I loved the vipers in the bumps when i had them last year but the edgehold that the salomons have makes them a superior ski.

ps. When skiing/demoing the salomon 3V use a very powerful centered stance, and lots of edge angulaion. at first they will seem like they hook way too much to be tamed but once you stand right over them, they crank turns like no other ski on the mountain. And they also will ski GS turns as well, but dont get in the back seat or they will toss you.
post #12 of 15
My 2 cents worth. The Power-T Viper S was rated the best value in skis by Ski magazine. It is $100 to $200 less than the racing slalom skis you have listed (you'll have to do you own conversion to pounds). It will be more forgiving & versatile than the racing slaloms especially when it comes to moguls & slush. It won't have the edge hold in ice or at mach speeds.

That said, I am going to further confuse you but suggesting the Power-T Viper X which is the softer version of Rossignols GS racing ski. Both Ski & Skiing magazine rated it best in moguls for an all-mountain ski. It was rated higher (including short turns) or equal to the K2 Mach S in every category but hard snow. I have a pair and they really do rock in the moguls once you figure out how to ski them plus they will handle fast GS turns. Their performance on ice is adequate.....they have a real solid feel under the foot.

If you do want a true racing slalom for an all mountain ski I would limit your search to the Rossi Power-T 9S and the K2 Mach S. Personally I would get the Rossi.
post #13 of 15
It is often said that some ski is more or less forgiving. What does that mean? I have tested few race slalom skis this season and all of them were really easy to ski. It sounds like a forgiving ski wouldn't be as powerful? So what advantages there is if the ski isn't so forgiving?

I vote for Atomic 9.16 and Head SL WC Ti. If choosing between Rossis I would go for 9S which is much more angrier and stable in speed than Viper-S. Viper-S is told to be more forgiving but I think 9s was even easier to ski.

When I was about to buy new skis I was also interested in Fischers and Völkls but didn't get them to demo. What I've heard especially about Fischers is very impressive. Maybe next time

Oh yes, my personal choise for myself were Heads.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 10, 2002 11:56 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Kaarlo ]</font>
post #14 of 15
If a ski is "forgiving" it means that you can make minor technical mistakes while skiing it, and the ski allows you to recover your balance to continue on. An "unforgiving" ski is one that puts you in the snow every time you get out of wack.

So the difference being for example, a raceing ski is less forgiving than an all mountain cruiser. How's that you techies?
post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info guys, One last request for those of you who have got to ski the 9s 9.16 and SL WC Ti how would you rate them relative to each other in terms of bump performance, short tight turns in the fall line, soft snow and crud, stabiblity and overal liviliness.
Being race skis do any of them have trouble with slow speed handling?
No more questions I promise
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