The only place I've found the Dobey XS is on the web. It looks like it comes from the old Nordica GP molds (not Grand Prix - GP was a consumer line) instead of the Doberman molds. Can anybody comment?
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...I would add to the softer end of the spectrum the Dobermann XS (extra-soft). Also, be aware that the Tecnica XT comes in a couple of stiffnesses - the XT 17 is the softest. These are both 'plug' boots which are as narrow as boots get....
I've noticed the term "Plug" here on Epic quite a few times. What does it mean? I hate to sound like a noob but I'm just not in on the term. From usage it sounds like "Plug" boots are the boots available through shops that are tighter in fit and stiffer than the company's "top of the line" consumer boots or those that are not available through shops that are specifically designed for full race setups. Which is the case or are both true?
Here are a couple to look at: http://gmolfoot.com/http://www.epicski.com/cgi-bin/ultim...=003303#000000http://www.epicski.com/cgi-bin/ultim...c;f=7;t=000519
You will find the XS (and the other plug boots) in only the very top of the line ski shops - usually at a mountain. In Vermont you will find all of the 'plug boots' at shops like Green Mountain Orthotics and The Starting Gate (both of these in the Stratton area). They will have in stock the Rossi, Tecnica, Dobermann and Lange plugs. You can compare fits and stiffnesses and the people in these places know their s$%t. They aren't out to make a sale of inappropriate equipment. You wouldn't want to buy one of these without having tried it on first.
Tecnically this is race equipment, but anyone who wants a very high level of performance should be curious. It is also a great solution for people with exceptionally narrow feet - even the narrowest production boots don't get as narrow as the plug boots.
In Nordica's scale of stiffness (and these scales can't be perfectly compared between different brands), the Dobermann is rated at 160, the Dobermann Soft at 150, and the XS at 100 (quite a drop). The XS is also 6mm shorter. The Nordica Beast is stiffer than the Dobermann XS. The last is the same for all 3 Dobermanns. The plastics are different, at least in the cuff.
The plastics in plug boots are of a higher quality than the average production models. The liners are very thin and usually very high quality (Nordica is exceptional as is Tecnica). There are no bells and whistles in these boots - no canting adjustments at the sides of the cuff, no 'hard/soft' settings, but just rivets. The insides are very narrow. The idea is that the bootfitter will grind away - or heat and stretch - areas inside the boot to fit your feet.
These boots are cold and hard, but transfer input from the skier to the ski extremely efficiently.
If you look In the 'Jeff Bergeron, Bootfitter' thread, and also look up GMOLFOOT's posts, you'll get all the answers and details about these boots. Bob Barnes also has an excellent post in here somewhere on the topic of boot stiffness.[ October 15, 2003, 08:49 AM: Message edited by: bearberry ]