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post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
So, I'm off to Wengen in a week, and I'm looking for some help.
It will be my first trip of the season.
In total this season I will probably get 12 days skiing in. I'm an intermediate skier who has no loyalty to one teaching method over another, whether they be European methods, or American.

So, what I'm asking for is one exercise/drill/tip that I should take with me to work on.

Your answer MUST be in the positive. i.e. if it's primary focus is "DO NOT", it will be ignored, cause I want to know what to DO!

The final twist in this is that I am going to post the same question in 3 forums, here, RealSkiers and snowHeads. It's not a competition, it is to garner the widest amount of suggestions. I'm hoping at the end of this to have a few ideas from each site which I can then work on, and I'll report back my findings to everyone.
post #2 of 29
Tip number one is hire a guide for your whole trip to Wengen
post #3 of 29
Work on an athletic stance. Shins in contact with the boot tongues, hips forward, hands up, elbows in front of the bellybutton, shoulders relaxed, chin up, eyes forward...

Everything flows from there.
post #4 of 29
Based on your picture posted on the PMTS Forum, I would also work on keeping your inside hand up and driving throughout the turn. This helps keep your shoulders level with the terrain, and some terrain matching drills would reinforce this. You should also try to keep shin pressure on your inside boot by pulling the ski back.
post #5 of 29
Have fun Fox, you're heading to the town of my ancestry.

Your asking a tall order for a single exercise/drill/tip based on an evaluation of a single frame of your skiing. And your asking a question that I don't think any of the responding answers to will necessarily behoove your progress. Generally, there is no single exercise/drill/tip that can, by itself, make a significant impact on the overall performance of a skier. For that to happen there needs to be a broad based attention dedicated to the refinement of a wide spectum of foundational skills.

The best tip I can give you? My schedule is kind of open right now, pick up my expenses and I'll join you on your trip and provide the needed exercises/drill/tips in person.
post #6 of 29
Thread Starter 
Sorry Rick, I wasn't intending it to be a critique on that photo, it was more looking for a general idea of a tip/exercise that is good to get an intermdiate skier back into the swing of things, rather than a detail plan of the way to correct my many errors, as was discussed in the other thread.
But thanks for the offer, I may have to pass on it.
post #7 of 29
Ditch the poles & do a stack of thousands steps on not too hard terrain.... (that is how I usually start every season - lets me get a feel for my "feet" again....
post #8 of 29
Oh forgot - ditched poles = free hands - keep those suckers out where you can see them....
post #9 of 29

I ski the terrain and snow you're heading to every weekend. Around here you ski steeps, moguls, crud, windpack, crud moguls, etc. If Alaska Mike is correct and you are dropping your inside hand I would recommend working on that. Nothing gets you in trouble faster in moguls and steeps than dropping your inside hand, getting your shoulders turned into the hill and your weight on the uphill ski. I have no drills to recommend. Personally, I start the season by forcing myself to link together a series of short, quick turns while concentrating on keeping my hands forward and eyes downhill.
post #10 of 29
good skiing starts at the feet
post #11 of 29
As Gonzo notes, it's the feet, and the tip is get them flat on whatever surface you're skiing on between turns.
post #12 of 29
I'd say, balance stuff. Bouncing (from the ankles) gently as you ski along, during your turns. Fast or slow, but gently bouncing. Then if that's working, jumping while you do your turns! Then shuffling your feet during turns, and finally the thousand steps one, tiny little patter steps through each turn.
post #13 of 29
Tape an open bottle of beer to your helmet. Ski all morning. Drink what's left in your bottle for lunch.:

Repeat for afternoon.
post #14 of 29
I'm with gonz and Kneale on this one.

All movements, especially turn initiations, should start with the feet.

How about "right foot right to go right?" Blatant plagiarism intended!
post #15 of 29
I can't narrow it down to one, I have to repeat the three very best tips and tricks I've ever had:

1. Wiggle your toes

2. "Step up to the urinal and don't dribble" - get your hips forward.

3. (May not apply to you; it certainly did to me) - minimize tip lead; either pull the inside foot back, or push the outside forward, whichever keeps you balanced.

We expect a full report, with pictures when you get back.
post #16 of 29
Originally Posted by gonzostrike
good skiing starts at the feet
Does it begin with the feet or end with the feet? In steep, off-piste terrain I think it ends with the feet. If your hip, shoulders, hands, etc. are out of position it is hard to get your feet pulled back to engage the tips of your skis during a turn. In order to ski steeps it is important to know how everything else going on effects what is at the foot level.
post #17 of 29
oh rio you killjoy.
post #18 of 29
I just am tired of dealing with Bushian simplifications of life.
post #19 of 29
Skating with the skis, start on very flat to slight pitch and skate straight down the fall line, when up to speed work into your regular turns, skating promotes tipping of the skis on edge, want to get in the habit of tipping skis then turning, instead of turning then tipping. Like others have said it all starts from the feet. Skate anything that is a flat run out, never just park them and go straight, use that terrain to get a better feel for where your edges connect into the snow.
post #20 of 29
Rio, it's pretty hard to get your center of mass moving into the new turn if the feet are holding onto the old edges.
post #21 of 29


Guess I'll throw myself into the caldron and side with Rio,
I guess my first_day_$.02 Fox...is to stay away from longer-radius stuff, too much rotation....from all(shoulders, hips...etc)

(lower body) "Relax & Extend"
Don't even think about your legs on down, your feet know how to dance and your hips & knees know how to angulate.
(Upper Body...) "leads the way"
Press that couch_potato Butt forward, ....pushing the butt forward will provide the support in holding your hips forward, enabling you to relax your hips and let them rock & roll...with the terrain.

but then you already know this stuff Fox...plus any stuff I may be dong wrong.... Have Fun
post #22 of 29
The one I am playing with right now is relaxing the outside leg to start the new turn. Relax the outside leg and flex down the hill. It is intended to facilitate a rapid transition from one edge to the next.
post #23 of 29

Hey Fox....

It might be 2 ideas, but try to keep your hips closer together, and make every other turn to the left!

Have a great trip, and we'll see you in a month at ESA3!
post #24 of 29
Commit your body to gravity and use your skis to deflect it's path...

post #25 of 29

My Tip, HAVE FUN!!! Sometimes we (I), overthink what I'm doing so much that I don't allow myself to enjoy skiing. Just try to get in as many turns as you an in your 12 days on the hill(s). I could careless how anybody was skiing (technique wise) if they aren't having fun....

post #26 of 29
Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson
Rio, it's pretty hard to get your center of mass moving into the new turn if the feet are holding onto the old edges.
KB -
Do you really want to get that committed to your edges in steep off-piste terrain especially at the end of your turn? Instead of bantering back and forth why don't you stop by Bridger Bowl sometime so I can demonstrate what I mean.
post #27 of 29
Fox, I like your affirmative approach. NLP (neurolinguistic programming) is a powerful learning aid. I catch myself with this when I say I drop my left hand. I've accommodated to doing it. Changing what you've accommodated to is extremely unlikely.

Our challenge is to change our thinking from I do this to I do that. If you can accomplish this one thing you will have done well. I think you know what "this and that" are.
post #28 of 29
plaster a smile on your face and work on nothing for the first two days.
post #29 of 29
I'd love to visit, Rio. Bit of a long drive from the original Boyne Country, however.
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