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Originally Posted by harold
The really top skiers use no steering or concepts of steering (when I use the word steering it encompasses and includes, leg rotary, foot steering and femur rotation).

In PMTS methodology we use no steering. If we see steering demonstrated or hear about it, we try to avoid it like the plague

Almost all skiers are too quick to initiate rotary movements that push the ski tails back up hill to begin turns, which begins the downward spiral of poor turns. I know the response from the PSIA group already to this statement, so don’t give me your BS. I know the results of your teaching. I deal with it daily and the people I teach, deal with it daily. They are, in most cases very angry when they learn they have to undo what their PSIA teachers taught them.
Thanks for posting this over here Miles, this gives everyone a good understanding of PMTS philosophy right from the horse’s mouth.

After reading his post in it's entirety I come away with great disrespect for his degree of understanding of high level skiing and teaching methodology.

He says that the top skiers use no rotary. Holy smokes, that demonstrates a total ignorance of how the WC racers ski. Pre carve pivoting happens all the time in WC courses. It has to happen, the course sets demand it. To claim otherwise is astoundingly idiotic.

He talks about how much he helped Schlopy. Well, I just last night watched him blow out of the Beaver Creek Sl (on OLN) half way down the first run because he wasn't doing a nice early redirection of his skis prior to initiating his carve, as the top guys were doing. Just got later and later, until he was gone. I wonder if harold suggested that strategy to him.

What a ridiculously narrow definition of skiing he's promoting. Prior to reading this I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. I couldn't believe his concept of skiing to be as limited in scope as folks were claiming. I thought something must have gotten lost in the translation, that only a carving emphasis was being conveyed because refinement of the skill is crucial to achieve upper level skiing status. But I would have never believed he would promote total condemnation of any turning skills outside of carving.

After reading this my suggestion for those considering PMTS, either as a student or teacher, is to stay clear. The system promotes a sadly limited skill spectrum. You can learn what harold teaches (carving) in most other instructional forums, but those forums will also help you develop a much broader skill foundation. That expanded base will serve you much better down the road. Rather than being a one trick pony, you'll be able to apply any turn style you desire to meet whatever situation may arise, or fulfill any intention that comes to mind.

Originally Posted by harold
*I do not respond to idiotic comments about how or where steering is invaluable, because it is worthless to try to discuss this topic with someone that brainwashed.

*These people, who believe in steering to ski, show their convoluted understanding

*We see the results and emphasis of rotary movements, in the low quality movements and in the skiing of almost every PSIA instructor

*The ones that ski well don’t use steering.

*There is a big difference between the way the very best skiers ski and the way PSIA skiers evolve.

*Those good skiers that say they are using rotary movements are kidding themselves.

*What I don’t understand is how the PSIA instructor can not see how detrimental these movements are to the skiers they are trying to teach
Scary, isn't it! A misguided soul with a PSIA chip on his shoulder. Stay clear folks!
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It was a very Harald message, and it will probably elicit the same old reactions from the various sides of the ski instruction fence. Love him or hate him, there's very little room in between.

Harald is a very talented race coach (more than a few USST members over the years), and his perception of skiing is based on that experience. Skiers dedicated to drills and progressions, constantly examining their progress. That's the type of skier PMTS attracts, and those that stick with the program do make great strides in their skiing. Some would argue that the same attention properly applied to any good system would yield similar results.

I don't particularly like his "us-and-them" attitude or his rather dogmatic approach to ski instruction, but I do admire his dedication to improving the sport. He's had his clashes with PSIA inside and outside of the organization, but something tells me he would have clashes in any organization not of his own making. That just seems to be the way he is.

PMTS in the book form wasn't something I gravitated towards. I need personal feedback and it wasn't available at that time. To be fair, I didn't have much success with the local PSIA ski school, mainly due to continuity among upper-level instructors. The progress I've made with race programs leads me to believe I would have done well in PMTS if it had've been fully available to me, but I'm not so blind to think it is for everyone. Motivation level and resources vary.

PSIA, PMTS... whatever. Good instructors are good instructors. Not seeking them out because of a organizational affiliation is just plain wrong. Both sides of the fence are at fault here, and they are doing a disservice to the profession.
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Originally Posted by Alaska Mike
Skiers dedicated to drills and progressions, constantly examining their progress. That's the type of skier PMTS attracts, and those that stick with the program do make great strides in their skiing. Some would argue that the same attention properly applied to any good system would yield similar results.


mike - I am skiing proof of that - I should be barely able to ski - yet I do it well... lots of persistence & a good (some would say pedantic) instructor who was able to "think outside the square" & I ski well enough to impress the other instructors that get me.... the thing is I was never taught either PSIA or PMTS - but probably closest to the APSI progression for my early years - they use the snowplough & stem christie progression (lots of Euro instructors here) ... then a sort of "made up for me" progression that ALMOST followed what my instructor likes to teach...

Good intsructors are just that - good instructors.... ditto good students...even us unathletic ones can do pretty well on sheer persistence (& some concept of learning skills for physical learning)
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Never underestimate the power of the "Give a S--t Factor".
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