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post #31 of 148
cbgarrett, Boulder?
post #32 of 148

Exactly...

SSH, everybody knows Colorado has better skiing anyway. And you don't have to put up with close minded conservative individuals like myself!
post #33 of 148
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Originally Posted by cbgarrett
SSH, everybody knows Colorado has better skiing anyway. And you don't have to put up with close minded conservative individuals like myself!
Well, around here we call Boulder, "17 square miles surrounded by reality."
post #34 of 148
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Originally Posted by cbgarrett
My family has been taking a ski week (and the odd long weekend ) at Alta for the last 4 years. I am always interested in these threads because we have a medium range (5 years) plan of moving to SLC. I've been reading some of you describe the area as ultra conservative as if it were bad. This has only bolstered my opinion of the area:

After all, what is not to like:

Good arts scene (opera, symphony...)
opera and symphony are ART? jeezus, call the police! someone stole my dictionary, and I need to prove to this person that "art" and "leisure activities for stuck-up pretentious people" are two different things.
post #35 of 148
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Originally Posted by gonzostrike
opera and symphony are ART?
I laffed at that too. Here's a shout-out for the Blue Iguana on West Temple... decent Mexican food and an MRG sticker on the door. Can't be all bad.
post #36 of 148
Fair play to the residents of Salt Lake City, they do not try to proseltise for the Mormons if you are just out there on a ski holiday.

I remember, as a child, every year we'd get to two Mormons knock on the door. Two foreigners in badly-cut suits trying to talk about what we regarded as a weird cult. They were the Moonies or Scientologists of the day. Mam just told them we were Catholics and they went away. Protestants used the same line.

Mormons also tried for sporting imperialism as well. We would be kicking a football around and they would try and start a baseball game. They failed in that too. Of course, they would not do that now. Strange adults talking to kids in a field or park ? People would ring the police.

I am surprised at the way some people seem to think nothing of moving thousands of miles without really knowing too much about a city.

My brother moved to Canada at a time when taxes were high here. Two of his kids were born there, but the wife was homesick from day one and they eventually got the firm to relocate them back to the UK after a few years.

He liked Canada and the people and I could see why. I like Americans - but I just could not imagine living in an American city. Vancouver or Toronto ? Yes.

Salt Lake City was clean and they seem to have good golf courses too.

Somebody else mentioned the symphony orchestra and the opera. I nearly fell off the chair laughing. Mind you I am surrounded by all that and I have no great interest in it. I did go the Globe to see Shakespeare. It was cheap and you could mooch around. It would have been even better if you could heckle and throw food at the stage like in the original Globe.

If you are conservative Salt Lake City may well suit. The population also seemed to be fairly white compared to other US cities, which may be important (if you are white and contemplating doing the white flight thing).
post #37 of 148

Some are just ignorant I guess...

If you don't think music and performing ARTS are art, then you really are ignorant. If you don't like it fine, but don't put down those who do. I thought you liberals were all for including everyone. Such hipocracy in this world.
post #38 of 148
I lived in Utah for 4 years. I moved to get out of that Mormon controlled, difficult to get a drink, in the middle of friggin' nowhere, 9 hour drive to the next city, no culture city, to the East Coast in August...

I now live in Connecticut. Sure it is a nice place, I've got a pretty good job, live with the girl of my dreams, but I would move back next week if I had the choice. Don't get me wrong, there are things about the East that I really do enjoy, but that is for later. The grass is not always greener on the other side. Mormons did not make me move, but the lack of career movement did. I moved to the east to help my career, to be close to a woman, and to try something new. I'm glad that I did, however, wish I had not. And the skiing is only part of it.

Once my contract is up, I'm out. A new set of mountains calls out to me. I'm with Bob, a smaller town is what I prefer.

Ohh, this I love, I moved from Utah, one of the most conserative places in the country, to Connecticut, one of the most liberal. Not all that much is different. However, if you want a bottle of rye come 9:30pm in Utah, you still can buy one, but not in CT.

If one doesn't like the way their town is run, get involved.

Good luck with your decision.
post #39 of 148
maybe I can get them to triple my taxes and it'd be New England!
post #40 of 148
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Originally Posted by cbgarrett
I thought you liberals were all for including everyone.
It would seem as though everyone is playing by the same rules.
post #41 of 148
Just got back from a long weekend in SLC... (alta and solitude as well)

I don't think I could live there... worst. mexican. food. ever.

Seriously, if Del Taco and Taco Bell are as good as it gets, there's no way I could live there.

We did drive around a lot. With the exception of down town and around the U, SLC is pretty ugly (not to say that other places aren't)...

The mountains sure are near though!
post #42 of 148

We left UT for the same reasons

as Capt. Strato mentioned. My husband and I arrived in the Cache Valley a year ago today. It was our dream to move west after spending our entire lives on the right coast. We lived in Logan for 8 short months. Unfortunately, we experienced some of the same things Capt. Stato experienced. We felt very isolated up in Cache Valley. We spent almost every weekend in either SLC or PC. Now after being away from UT for 3 months my husband and I desperately miss it! We miss the weather, the people, and all of the great pow. I am now chronically sun deprived in the NE. We look back on our experience and feel we didn't give UT enough of a chance. Our move back east wasn't strictly based our bad experience living in UT but, for professional reasons as well. We will be returning at some point. I do believe we would still be there had we been residing in either SLC or PC.
post #43 of 148
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Originally Posted by cbgarrett
If you don't think music and performing ARTS are art, then you really are ignorant. If you don't like it fine, but don't put down those who do. I thought you liberals were all for including everyone. Such hipocracy in this world.
wow, the ignorance of some people stuns me.

1) I'm not a liberal

2) I'm not for "including everyone" in every aspect of my life. if I were, I'd try to live in NYC or some other huge polyglot city, and would try to make the city more communal. now, I don't live anywhere near NYC and I don't want to live in a commune. what does that tell you, Bigot Boy?

3) your staid view of "art" is laughable, but I'm sure it comforts you to be so incredibly pretentious, and makes you feel superior to all those "liberals" you denigrate so easily.

4) what type of "art" in the visual medium do you consider worthwhile?

5) what type of "art" in the music/aural medium do you consider worthwhile?
post #44 of 148
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Originally Posted by AltaSkier
Ohh, this I love, I moved from Utah, one of the most conserative places in the country, to Connecticut, one of the most liberal.
Connecticut is the true home of Dubya and Daddy Bush. hardly one of the "most liberal" states.

but you're more conservative than most, I think.
post #45 of 148
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Originally Posted by jamesdeluxe
I laffed at that too. Here's a shout-out for the Blue Iguana on West Temple... decent Mexican food and an MRG sticker on the door. Can't be all bad.
Blue Iguana indeed is good.
post #46 of 148

Gonz, I had your dictionary

The noun "art" has 4 senses in WordNet.

1. art, fine art -- (the products of human creativity; works of art collectively; "an art exhibition"; "a fine collection of art")
2. art, artistic creation, artistic production -- (the creation of beautiful or significant things; "art does not need to be innovative to be good"; "I was never any good at art"; "he said that architecture is the art of wasting space beautifully")
3. art, artistry, prowess -- (a superior skill that you can learn by study and practice and observation; "the art of conversation"; "it's quite an art")
4. artwork, art, graphics, nontextual matter -- (photographs or other visual representations in a printed publication; "the publisher was responsible for all the artwork in the book")

"If you don't think music and performing ARTS are art, then..."

Dictionary or not, it's art, very plain and simple.

Back to UTAH.
post #47 of 148
the art in Utah isn't at the Mormon Symphony or the Mormon Museum.

that's my point, ryan.

and opera? well, if you're a woman or a latent homosexual, I guess it's art. :
post #48 of 148
"Just got back from a long weekend in SLC... (alta and solitude as well)

I don't think I could live there... worst. mexican. food. ever.

Seriously, if Del Taco and Taco Bell are as good as it gets, there's no way I could live there."

Try the Red Iguana on North Temple or El Chebasco in Park City. Visitors can always find a handy Mcdonalds if you don't care to look too far.
Other recomendations; Cafe Trang in SLC and Taste of Saigon in PC- Vietnamese. Bankok Tai- P.C. Bombay House, SLC, Kampai, PC. for sushi
Best Continental, Grappa, P.C. or try the Blind Dog.
Worst expensive food in Park City; The Claim Jumper on Main Street. be warned.
post #49 of 148

Well...

Gonzo, I don't know what you have up your rear, but there is absolutely no reason to attack me on this board for saying I think the so called conservative wasteland that is SLC is not that bad to me. I have done nothing to you to warrant name calling and your putdowns.

You don't know me or anything about me. Nor me you.

And have you ever been to an opera or symphony performance? If not, then keep your mouth shut. If it is not you cup of tea, then fine. I don't care if you like it or not. Why should you care if other people enjoy it. Your name calling and general ill-meaning comments speak negatively of you. You are the one looking bad.

And art is human expression. Music, drama, painting, etc... Choose something or nothing to like.
post #50 of 148

me? latent?

damn, my woman's gonna be pissed.

post #51 of 148
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Originally Posted by Mr. Crab
"Just got back from a long weekend in SLC... (alta and solitude as well)

I don't think I could live there... worst. mexican. food. ever.

Seriously, if Del Taco and Taco Bell are as good as it gets, there's no way I could live there."

Try the Red Iguana on North Temple or El Chebasco in Park City. Visitors can always find a handy Mcdonalds if you don't care to look too far.
Other recomendations; Cafe Trang in SLC and Taste of Saigon in PC- Vietnamese. Bankok Tai- P.C. Bombay House, SLC, Kampai, PC. for sushi
Best Continental, Grappa, P.C. or try the Blind Dog.
Worst expensive food in Park City; The Claim Jumper on Main Street. be warned.
Thanks Mr. Crab.

Should've asked before I went
post #52 of 148
I'm not sure what the big deal is? Most of this part of the west was first settled by Mormons. by this part of the west I mean Utah, Idaho, Parts of Wyoming, Nevada, and yes even Colorado. Salt lake City is now about 50/50 Mormon to Non-Mormon. Park City is about 80% non LDS. iof the heat in SalT Lake bothers you move to Jeromy Ranch. It is 20 mins to Downtown SLC. Salt lake is getting to be a cosmoplitan city. There are some excellent Restaurants. As Stated there is a lot of classic cultural events. Becuse the culture is rather conservitive. The More progressive arts seem to have bonded. One of the oldest Art Galleries in Salt Lake is a contemporary gallery. Still if they were to display a painting of a nude in the window someone would complain it was porno. On the downside wages are low here. Utah has one of the highest rate of bankrupcy in the Nation. Same with foreclosuers. The cost of living can be high. After 3 or 4 years of stable prices, Park City is once again in a Real Estate boom. However from what I have seen it is still a lot less expensive then any of the Colorado ski towns. Go 20mins east of Park City to Heber or Kamas Valley and you can still find 3 Bd, 2 Bt homes for around $200K.
Every place has it's good points and bad points. Some people love it here others don't.Utah is far from the perfect place to live. I don't think living here isn't any worse then living in the Bible Belt south. Or perhaps Cathlic Church dominated Boston.
post #53 of 148
just like a good Southerner, you insult very politely. how's your Rebel Flag, freddy?

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Originally Posted by cbgarrett
Gonzo, I don't know what you have up your rear, but there is absolutely no reason to attack me on this board for saying I think the so called conservative wasteland that is SLC is not that bad to me. I have done nothing to you to warrant name calling and your putdowns.

You don't know me or anything about me. Nor me you.

And have you ever been to an opera or symphony performance? If not, then keep your mouth shut. If it is not you cup of tea, then fine. I don't care if you like it or not. Why should you care if other people enjoy it. Your name calling and general ill-meaning comments speak negatively of you. You are the one looking bad.

And art is human expression. Music, drama, painting, etc... Choose something or nothing to like.
post #54 of 148
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Originally Posted by ryan
damn, my woman's gonna be pissed.

heh!
post #55 of 148
Gonz is in rare form today.

CBGarrett, just note that Gonz likes to stir the pot on occasion. IN this particular case, he's stirring the pot with with a 200hp Evinrude. Effective, but messy.
post #56 of 148
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Originally Posted by Mr. Crab
maybe I can get them to triple my taxes and it'd be New England!
Funny comment here - and far from buried in any truth.

1. The tax burden per resident in Utah, when compared to cost-of-living and annual income, is comparable to any New England state.

2. That said, look at the public schools and other public services (e.g. utilities, police, fire & rescue, libraries, community centers, parks & rec), and you'll see that the services offered in New England far exceed those in Utah, both in terms of spending and quality. Granted, Utah has a fail-safe in the form of the LDS Church and its systems.

And let's face it: lower taxes are not the be-all, end-all of life. Most of the tax cuts brought forth in the past 3.5 years have simply shifted the tax burden from the federal government to state and local jurisdictions, resulting in huge budget shortfalls and cuts in necessary services, such as teachers, police officers, firefighters and EMTs.

Let's face it: I do miss the skiing, hiking, mountain and road biking, camping and red-rock beauty of Utah. And I miss the good Mexican food at the Red and Blue Iguana. But I don't miss the local government one bit - though I'm pleased as punch that Peter Corroon is the new mayor of Salt Lake County, and I'm sure he'll right the mess that was created by Workman.

But enough of politics....

I know that I will always have a home in Utah. There will always be a place for me to hang my coat, always be an open seat at Salt Lake Roasting Company or the Tap Room in Sugarhouse, always be a nice stash of untracked at Solitude. But I prefer the diversity of opinions here in the east, and the fact that people aren't afraid of speaking their minds. I don't agree with everybody out here, that's for sure; but I appreciate their right to speak their minds and follow their own path.
post #57 of 148
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Originally Posted by JohnH
Gonz is in rare form today.

CBGarrett, just note that Gonz likes to stir the pot on occasion. IN this particular case, he's stirring the pot with with a 200hp Evinrude. Effective, but messy.
heh heh heh. how's tricks, old buddy?
post #58 of 148
If you haven't been insulted by Gonzo then your really not a barking bear
post #59 of 148
exactly. why can't people learn to just take their lumps and get over it?
post #60 of 148
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Originally Posted by songfta
There will always ... be a nice stash of untracked at Solitude.
This weekend there was a lot of untracked... because you can't track in crust LOL

Needed the razor shine on my edges to get any purchase... people were sliding 10-20ft down the runs when the fell...
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