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Is it Worth The Price to Live in Utah?

post #1 of 148
Thread Starter 
Sorry - I deleted this question because I thought it was dumb, but the site wouldln't delete the thread. So, here's the dumb question:

Two years ago I moved to Utah in order to ski the world's finest powder. I wallowed in the legendary fluff to my heart's content. All the stories were true - it was bottomless, abundant and spectacular. A gift from God.

However, after living for year in Salt Lake City, I ultimately decided it wasn't worth the the price to reap this bounty.

I couldn't withstand the brutal, burning summers (every day over 100 degrees), the political ultra-conservatism and the exclusiveness of Mormon society (at least where we lived).

Was I the only one to vacate due to these issues? How long can a non-Mormon survive in this environment?
post #2 of 148
Ah, honesty.

Refreshing.
post #3 of 148
Yes it is.

What's the price? $3.99?

If the price is right, I'll come on down...
post #4 of 148
?????????????
post #5 of 148
You obviously did not make much of an effort. Bellingham is a much more sophisticated town :.
post #6 of 148
I would have at least tried polegamy; I have some novel ideas about rotation.
post #7 of 148
Hey, you did what you had to do, better than always wondering "what if".

Let's be honest, as blasphemous as it may be here, there's more to (quality of) life than skiing.
post #8 of 148
I wouldn't ever live in SLC, no matter how much I love the snow in the surrounding canyons. the main reasons are exactly what you stated... LDS exclusivity/insularity, arch-conservative is the prevailing political/social tone, ugly-arsed sprawl and chain restaurant hell, ridiculous smog, overbearing heat in the summer, and then there's that evil stench from the refineries and meat slaughter houses on the edge of town where I-15 comes in from the North.

I can imagine living in Park City, but that's about the nearest I'll ever get to living in Utah. even PC is too artificial and yuppified for my taste.

as Xdog wisely said, "quality of life" is about much more than skiing, even to a die-hard powder lover.
post #9 of 148
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Originally Posted by xdog1
Let's be honest, as blasphemous as it may be here, there's more to (quality of) life than skiing.

YOU SIR ARE BANISHED TO THE POCONOS FOR LIFE
post #10 of 148
Ack! :
post #11 of 148
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato
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the political ultra-conservatism and the exclusiveness of Mormon society (at least where we lived).

Was I the only one to vacate due to these issues? How long can a non-Mormon survive in this environment?
Boy, did we have different experiences.

My wife and I (we're not only non-LDS, we're pretty much non-ANYTHING) lived in SLC for 8 years and loved it.

We lived on the east side (Holladay) up against Mount Olympus. We lived in an overwhelmingly LDS neighborhood and found no issues at all with the exclusiveness you're describing. We were invited to dinner regularly and were often even offered our choice of alcoholic beverages at LDS homes.

Yes, Utah is pretty ultra-conservative. After this last election, however, what part of ski country west of the Mississippi isn't? (Besides **** Cheney's home county - Teton County, WY, that is: )

We didn't move from SLC for *any* of the reasons you listed. We've just always intended to move to Jackson Hole and we finally had the opportunity. I would move back to SLC in a heartbeat if I needed to live in a large city again.

I just piped in because I think pronouncements like yours perpetuate a perception of Salt Lake City that just isn't fair. I know of a whole lot of non-LDS people who moved there from other places and happily call Salt Lake City home.

Okay, I'll grant you that it's hot in the summer, but a lot of other places are at least as hot. And besides that, it's a dry heat.

I'm convinced there is no other relatively large city in the US that can offer the incredible array of world-class outdoor recreation right outside of town. I miss it... and I live in the world's most perfect place.

Bob

Oh, and Gonz... "ugly-arsed sprawl and chain restaurant hell"???

How would you describe the west side of Missoula?
post #12 of 148
well, Bob... I live on the west side of Missoula, between Southgate Mall and the uglified Reserve Street Box Store Bonanza and Boondoggle on the far western edge of town

so I can only say that at least here, it doesn't last for 30 miles like it does when you drive down from the Malad Summit and head into the Beehive State north of SLC on US 15

that's the "hell" I refer to - not the existence of box stores and chain restaurants, which seem to be everywhere in America no matter how much I rail against it ( ).
post #13 of 148
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Originally Posted by gonzostrike
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so I can only say that at least here, it doesn't last for 30 miles like it does when you drive down from the Malad Summit and head into the Beehive State north of SLC on US 15

that's the "hell" I refer to - not the existence of box stores and chain restaurants, which seem to be everywhere in America no matter how much I rail against it ( ).
I know.

I was just, how do you say, effin' wit cha.

Bob

Pray for snow. It's been pretty scarce around these parts.
post #14 of 148
I lived in slc for 15 years.
Growing up in Eastern Idaho, i learned to ignor what the lds church had to say. It came in handy when i moved to slc. I too have many lds friends, and they all knew better than try to preach to me. Cause i was not / still not , afraid to tell them what i think of thier cult.
Lived in So .slc, near state and I-80. if it got to hot, just would head east 15 to PC where the temp was always 10-15 cooler.
Inversions? Yes the valley does get them, but blame that on every person who refused to ride the decent transit system. Blame the state for not cracking down on it. Banning wood buring fires, is not enough.
Hey Gonzo, i hope you can win a spot on the county commision, or city, cause you guys have all theses people moving in from that communistic state called Califorina. they leave there, bring their problems along.
Montana is truely the last of it's kind. I love Montana, and if there was work for my wife, we'd move there in a heart beat, except for butte.
In the mean time i'am 'tuck' in So . lake Tahoe what a rough life i have ,
post #15 of 148
Thread Starter 
Bob Peters: I respect that you had a different experience from us. It's actually nice to hear that other non-LDS people could find a fit there.

We also lived on the east side, in Cottonwood (we rented from Ski Goddess Kristen Ulmer - cool lady). I can only say that our social experience was different from yours. Perhaps you're more convivial and wash regularly.

We were raised in the northwest, so we're used to moisture, moderate temperatures and moderate politics. The oppressive summer heat was the final straw.

As for Jackson Hole, now that's tempting. We spent a week there last year and thoroughly loved the town (**** Cheney notwithstanding). In addition, the skiing is spectacular. In my humble view, Jackson Hole is THE ultimate ski location on earth.
post #16 of 148

I'm deep blue...

...and/but I like SLC quite a bit. It has a nice feel to it in a variety of ways and if I ever wanted to move from Seattle, believe it or not, SLC would be on my list of possible places.
post #17 of 148
It's not worth it. Every thing about Utah sucks, I can't believe that any one would even vacation here. Now, Colorado on the other hand, that's paradise on earth. They have more ski areas and more nightlife, and no matter what you hear from the Ut. tourism board, Co. has lighter, dryer snow (true). Go there, stay there, live there, we have enough miserable people in Ut already.

Ps; if you have to come to utah stay in park city or lcc.
post #18 of 148
yeah ZZZ is right, the only thing north of PC is some crappy resort called snowbasin, They have bad terrain slow lifts and a lodge that is pretty much going to fall down anyday now. and then there's the Po-dung powder mountain...definatley stay in Park city, I promise Deer valley is the best utah has to offer.
post #19 of 148
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Originally Posted by mrw
YOU SIR ARE BANISHED TO THE POCONOS FOR LIFE
Now, THAT was uncalled for :0


Past that, I am going to keep an eye on this thread, the wife (singular) and I are thinking about moving there, What about Ogden or Sandy? Provo?
post #20 of 148
nice try, zion zig zag . . .
but the newcomers are gonna keep on coming. and they're gonna shift the place.
this is a great thread . . . and I have to respect Bob Peters point--different people have very different experiences in the same place.
to add to that--LDS is full of very different people. Some are outgoing, welcoming, etc. and some are introspective and self-contained.
post #21 of 148
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
I am going to keep an eye on this thread, the wife (singular) and I are thinking about moving there, What about Ogden or Sandy? Provo?
Ogden is not a picturesque, quaint ski town. However, it's small, decent and manageable. The real issue is proximity to Snowbasin and Powder Mountain. As "Duke" indicated in inverse, these are amazing "hidden" resorts.

Snowbasin has unbelievable terrain and the best lift system I've ever seen. They don't get as much snow as the Cottonwood canyons. But, if you want to hammer vertical on massive slopes with few people, you'll never find better.

Powder Mountain is a shimmering jewel. Old lifts and a peculiar lift layout are the downsides. The upside is more powder than Alta and Snowbird and a HUGE ski area (much of it off the beaten path), with almost no people. You can choke on the powder there.

Regardless of whether you ever live in Utah, don't miss these gems.
post #22 of 148
Haha funny thread!

Actually It depends how much time you spend in the mountain!!
As a French, liberal, atheist, wine drinker, I do not exactly fit in SLC you'd think. Well... It doesn't matter. I don't spend time in the city I spend it in the mountain where you'll find much more open-minded people anyway.

I have been here for 8 years and absolutely love it. And I am not going anywhere (Not in France at least. French people bother me )

The heat in the summer? I stay in the moutain and travel a lot to cooler places (high Colorado, Alps...) during the few hot weeks of the summer

The inversions in the winter? Yeah that looks ugly... looking at it from the top of the tram that is ...

So yeah in the end, it's worth it if you spend more time up in the mountain than down in the city

Then again I don't think people should come to Utah. Especially Snowbird. The snow sucks and the locals are rude (at least that's what I read in some ski magazine )
post #23 of 148
I was born and raised in Utah (Salt Lake City, 9 blocks from the LDS "mother ship"). I spent the first 20 years of my life there. I learned to ski there, raced for my school team and a ski academy there. I had my first beer there, learned to drive there, learned to fish there. In the summers, the mountains were an easy bike ride away, and the summers, while hot, were never humid.

But I moved to the east 5 months before my 21st birthday because I needed to get away from the politics of the area. I'm a liberal, non-LDS, and a free-thinker. I had visited New England when I was 19 and loved the fact that there were actual differences of opinion, and that people weren't afraid to let you know what they thought about the issues. In Utah, there was always a latent fear to dissent from the predominant, conservative point-of-view. Granted, I was schooled at a non-LDS private school, so I was exposed to the dissenting point-of-view from early on (e.g. my world history teacher in high school was an avowed Marxist). But as soon as I began to attend a public school (University of Utah), I was thrust into the theocracy of Utah, and it turned me off. Many of my high school friends had gone to college in other states, so my network of friends shrank. And while I met some great people at the U, I had to get out, my taste of New England having provided me a glimpse of a place where I felt I could carry on long, intellectual conversations without feeling any need for self-censorship. My advisor at the U, a former mayor of SLC, helped me find a school where I'd be more "at home," and I ended up at Connecticut College.

I missed a lot of things, for sure: my new friends, the mountains, and the skiing. I knew that I wouldn't have any more 100-plus-day seasons for a very long while. I'd have to blaze new trails in terms of geography, social circles and humidity (and hot-and-humid is much, much worse than the dry summers of Utah - though I don't miss the lake stink from rotting brine fly larvae).

But I haven't regretted my move to the east. I really enjoy skiing out here: I like the challenge of the ice, the narrow trails, the tight trees and the truly variable snow. And I still go out to Utah, as my mom still lives in SLC (read: free lodging and free dinners). So I get to ski it all every ski season. I volunteered at the 2002 Winter Olympics, spending three weeks at Snowbasin working on the DH and SG courses and loving the entire experience (and enjoying the looks on locals' faces when out-of-town tourists drank responsibly and didn't kill themselves - how shocking!).

As long as you can tolerate excessive influence from a conservative religion, and the drawbacks thereof (poor public school funding, "ghost town" Sundays, weak beer and mixed drinks, and a closed and repressive political culture), you'll do fine. The cost of living isn't too bad (though it's quite high in Park City), and the skiing is great.
post #24 of 148
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters
Yes, Utah is pretty ultra-conservative. After this last election, however, what part of ski country west of the Mississippi isn't? (Besides **** Cheney's home county - Teton County, WY, that is: )
One might think that you either are red-blue colorblind or belive that ski country west of the Mississippi ends at the rockys.
post #25 of 148
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Originally Posted by Harry_Morgan
One might think that you either are red-blue colorblind or belive that ski country west of the Mississippi ends at the rockys.
You're absolutely right, Harry.

I should have excluded the coastal states from that sentence.

Still, I'm mighty proud of our Teton County little dot of blue surrounded by an immense sea of red in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, and Colorado.

Bob
post #26 of 148
I'm in the opposite situation as Song. I'ved lived and skied in NE all my life(Boston suburbs) and am moving to Utah this spring (N. Ogden area). I love NE, the people and the changing seasons. Skiing N. Vermont the past few years has been fun but having to drive 4 hrs every Friday and Sunday takes its toll. I don't have to mention the difference in the skiing out west either. My wife and I (and 2 dogs) are in our late 20's and have talked about and debated where we would like to move. One of the reasons we chose Utah (and Ogden) were proximity to a major airport and city (w/in an hour) and ski resorts, cost of living, and non-winter outdoor activities. We've heard all the talk about the LDS and "quirky" laws and decided that it was a small price to pay for what the area had to offer. Could be wrong in assuming those things won't bother us all that much but am willing to take the chance. Worst comes to worse we're out there for a few years, I get my "west" skiing fix out of my system (yea right) and we move on.
With that said I'll be out there this spring and will be looking for some skiing, biking, hiking, climbing partners so give me a shout.
post #27 of 148
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Originally Posted by zion zig zag
It's not worth it. Every thing about Utah sucks, I can't believe that any one would even vacation here. Now, Colorado on the other hand, that's paradise on earth. They have more ski areas and more nightlife, and no matter what you hear from the Ut. tourism board, Co. has lighter, dryer snow (true). Go there, stay there, live there, we have enough miserable people in Ut already.

Ps; if you have to come to utah stay in park city or lcc.
Do not beleive what Zion Zig Zag says. Do not move to Colorado especially if you are from California or Texas. Colorado is bad....very bad....the armpit of the earth. It never snows and what snow we do get it is almost like concrete. The summers are hot...very hot. Denver is also very bad. Just look at the Broncos. Denver is a cowtown. There is no nightlife. Remember: Do Not Move To Colorado...there is no beer here.
post #28 of 148
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Originally Posted by scaryfast
Do not beleive what Zion Zig Zag says. Do not move to Colorado especially if you are from California or Texas. Colorado is bad....very bad....the armpit of the earth. It never snows and what snow we do get it is almost like concrete. The summers are hot...very hot. Denver is also very bad. Just look at the Broncos. Denver is a cowtown. There is no nightlife. Remember: Do Not Move To Colorado...there is no beer here.
So true. Really.
post #29 of 148
This has been a hot topic in Utah for 150 years. Some army general around the time of the Civil War sent his soldiers out prospecting in hopes that they would strike gold, create a rush, and diversify the Mormon population. They found silver at Park City and Alta- I read this in the phone book, believe it or not. The mormons and the miners have been bickering ever since. The guns of the old fort pointed down into Salt Lake, not out. Us goys around here live in the hip neighborhoods like Capital Hill, the Avenues, and Sugerhouse. My old block was gay, jewish and african american. We would send loaves of wonder bread to our LDS friends and they would torment us with jello. Some have fish stickons on their cars, others have fish with feet. It is hot though. I moved to Park City last year and it's even hotter. Closer to the sun I guess. It's 120 degrees in June and we have skeeters the size of ponies. And it rains mud from the desert, and the water"s poisioned by the old mines (that's actually true.) So, move to Colorado but vacation here. :
post #30 of 148

Utah or bust...

My family has been taking a ski week (and the odd long weekend ) at Alta for the last 4 years. I am always interested in these threads because we have a medium range (5 years) plan of moving to SLC. I've been reading some of you describe the area as ultra conservative as if it were bad. This has only bolstered my opinion of the area:

After all, what is not to like:

Great skiing
Good arts scene (opera, symphony...)
Great skiing
Good economy?!
Great skiing
Conservative majority
Great skiing
Access to Utah red rock country
Did I mention great skiing?

This is the recipe for a great town for me.

For the rest of you, I am sure there are great liberal towns close to ski areas somewhere else.

On the other hand, I have never talked politics on a ski lift, so who really gives a flip. Let me go check the Alta snow report!!!!!!
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