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Which is better in bumps Volkl 724 EXP or Pro?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I am getting back into skiing after taking a break for a number of years after having kids. The kids are now old enough to start skiing and after 9 years I can start skiing again.

I like high speed cruising, but when I get back into shape I would like to get back into bumps and non groomed snow. Typcially I would spend 40% of my time in the bumps, 40% non-groomed and the rest was for taking it easy when I was tired. I am not in half the shape as was, but plan to get back into shape to do the same mix of skiing.
I am 6' tall and weight 210lbs. My technique is reasonably good, however there is always room for improvement. I like something that is stable at speed, but prefer to have something that will suck up the shock in the bumps.

I have heard great things about Volkl's and would like to try the 724's if it is a good fit.

Unfortunately I am not aware of any places that will allow me to demo 724's in Vancouver, BC. I will not be able to make it to Whistler before needing to purchase some skiis.

Thanks,
post #2 of 16

40% bumps/40% off piste/20% groomed?

Wow, I don't know if I'd go with the Pros if I wanted to spend that much time in the bumps because the tail is a stiff for that much bump skiing with a 77mm waist. You might be better off with the EXP which is 74mm and not as stiff.

Or, you might be better with something else entirely. For instance, I don't know if I'd trade my AX3s (70mm) for EXPs if I were going to spend that much time in the bumps.
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by easyrider
...but prefer to have something that will suck up the shock in the bumps...
IMHO what you're asking is not a characteristic of the Pro's...they're a beefy ski.

They are stable and want speed. I love them for powder and crud...but many don't like them in powder.
post #4 of 16
Neither I would classify as a bump type ski but if I had to choose one of them it would be the EXP which has a narrower waist and a softer flex.


Cheers!
post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 
I thought a stiffer shovel would tend to bounce me back if I hit a mogul wrong instead of bending and sucking up the energy. However to soft would not be any good either.
The 724 Pro would be great as long as the Shovel wasn't too stiff to flex and conform to the bumps when needed. I am not sure of how stiff the tail is on the Pro but being too stiff could make it a little tough in the bumps.
Any opinions or corrections on this?
I was thinking about getting at least a 177 or 184, I am not sure at this point. My previous all around/bump skiis were Olin Mark IIIS 200's and I used them regularly in the bumps and they were great. I rented some generic shaped skiis a couple days ago in a 177 length (they were rossignol somethings?? I will find out today when I go back for another day). The snow is very lean on the West Coast mountains around Vancouver, lots of rocks, good for renting but not for personal skiis.
If 177 724 EXP or Pro's will be stable for mid to high speed cruising for my height and weight with the new shaped design that would be great. It would also be easier to help the kids ski with less ski to manipulate. However I have no problem with a 184 if that is what would be required. I think the EXP only goes up to 177 though, the Pro comes in a longer length.
From the reviews I was thinking of going with a flat version with Look bindings instead of the extra gear, any comments on the platforms and AT system in bumps? If it will not effect the bumps but will help at speed I would be interested in getting the extra gear as long as the integrated Marker Bindings are not that bad. I figure even the worst of the new bindings have to release better than my old bindings from 12 years ago.
Thanks
post #6 of 16
i love my volkls but they take A LOT of energy to get them through the bumps (i ski in bounds on a volkl p50 motion which is lighter and more nimble than the 724). i demoed the 724 pro the other day and was disappointed with the ski overall, especially in the quick turn/manuverability department. if you're looking to spend up to 40% of your time in the bumps, you may want to consider other skis or just get a pair of volkls for the groomers and something else for the bumps if you can afford a two ski quivver.
post #7 of 16
Go with the EXP stay away from the Pro. You will not like it. I have AX3's and ski them everywhere. The EXP is this years AX3. A little bigger dimensions but the same basic type ski. I'm 5'11" 190lbs and love it in 170cm. For you I would go with at least the 177cm. I would also recommend you take a lesson or two on them. If you have not skied a shaped ski and want to get the most out of them, take a lesson.
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
I had a chance to try some Salomon X-Screams today in a 180cm

I found that they turned so very fast, for me I would say too fast. It may be because I am getting used to a shaped ski, but they were hard to turn for wide sweepers. I found they carved to quickly on the packed stuff.

Can anyone let me know how the Volkl 724 Pro or EXP would compare to the Salomon X-Screams (180cm). It would be great if someone my height and weight has tried both in groomed and bumps.

Thanks again for the help, it is very appreciated.

Dale
post #9 of 16
If your a Volkl man, STAY AWAY FROM THE X-Screams. You will not like them after they loose there edge hold in no time. There has been a thread in the past few weeks about them. Stay away from them.
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
As far as the turning and flex, how do the 724 EXP's or Pro's compare to the X-screams?

Thanks
post #11 of 16
Easy - first off scratch the Salomon's - Volkl just makes a better ski......as far as between the exp and PROs: Definelty go with the Pros;yeah theyre def. not made for it, but they ski fine in the bumps - and the 724 Pros excel everywhere else. I am an ex-racer and I'll tell you these skis carve close to a race ski and are very good in powder - they plow through crud. Best true all-mountain ski you can buy. Get it in a 177 or bigger...
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
The EXP's are apparently the same construction as the pro, just a little narrower which should make it flex a little easier.
Has anyone tried the EXP's compared to the Pro's, I wish I could demo each one.
I am concerned the Pro's could end up being a little too stiff, and for the money it is going to cost me, I can't afford to get the wrong ski.
But I appreciate the comments, they are definitely helping out.

I am very close, I just need to get a comparison between the EXP's and the Pro's then I will be shopping.

Thanks,
post #13 of 16
I've skied both for a couple runs in 177, much preferred the EXP. It was a nice carver, easy turning and fairly lively, also very good edge hold. The Pro felt kind of dead, it was solid and turned nice and maybe a heavier guy would like it better, but just wasn't much fun to me. The Pro would probably be better off piste, but there wasn't much soft snow or crud to try them in, the EXP felt a little more piste oriented although still tracked well through rougher snow, seemed like a good combination of liveliness and stability. I would think the EXP would be better in bumps due to the softer flex and livlier feel, the tip would come around quick if you wanted it to.

I'm 5-11 155, so you're experience could vary, but the 177 EXP felt right to me, the 184 would probably be OK since it's fairly easy turning, especially since you said you liked longer turns, it would be more stable off piste, but might be getting a little long for bumps.
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Westcat
I've skied both for a couple runs in 177, much preferred the EXP. It was a nice carver, easy turning and fairly lively, also very good edge hold. The Pro felt kind of dead, it was solid and turned nice and maybe a heavier guy would like it better, but just wasn't much fun to me. The Pro would probably be better off piste, but there wasn't much soft snow or crud to try them in, the EXP felt a little more piste oriented although still tracked well through rougher snow, seemed like a good combination of liveliness and stability. I would think the EXP would be better in bumps due to the softer flex and livlier feel, the tip would come around quick if you wanted it to.

I'm 5-11 155, so you're experience could vary, but the 177 EXP felt right to me, the 184 would probably be OK since it's fairly easy turning, especially since you said you liked longer turns, it would be more stable off piste, but might be getting a little long for bumps.
That is great information. I am 6' and 210lbs, because of the weight difference I am not to sure whether the EXP may not be able to handle things for me compared to the EXP. My new ski theory is non-existant at this point, would it make sense to assume that with my extra weight, the Pro in the same size ski would feel the same as the EXP to you being 55lbs lighter?
post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 
At this point my general thinking is that the Volkl 724 EXP will be a little softer and easier in the bumps, however because of the narrower width I will go with a 184cm EXP instead of the 177cm Pro. This should provide the same surface area for fresh snow, with a little longer length it should add a bit more stability at speed compared to the 177cm Pro. I will try to get the Motion AT system with PCOS which will also help stability on groomed runs. I can get the EXP for less money and until I get my ski legs back up and running will most likely be a better fit. If I get a chance to try some Pro's I can always get a set of Pro's for next season.
My basic assumption is that as long as the EXP's are better than the Salomon X-Screams then I will be a happy man.
If anyone has any last words of wisdom let me know. I plan on trying to purchase some skis during the Boxing Day week sales tomorrow.

Thanks
post #16 of 16
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would it make sense to assume that with my extra weight, the Pro in the same size ski would feel the same as the EXP to you being 55lbs lighter?
I don't think it would feel the same. They just skied differently. I skied other skis that were as stiff or stiffer and longer than the Pro that I thought were more versatile or more lively, just the characteristics of the ski.

Good luck with the 184 EXP's, probably a good compromise, especially if you're going off piste quite a bit. Always tough when you can't demo.
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