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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hi all.

I gotta question. I've decided I need new boots (among other things....) This comes from actually getting to free ski a fair amount the past few days. I've got issues. My old Lange L-10's are ready to give up ghost. I'm 5' 7" and 145 lbs soaking wet. My calves look like little bird legs. SMALL ankles, and a med. forefoot. I can get heel lift out of my langes even when cinched almost all the way down... I teach at Alta, and I like skiing fast on groomers, powder and moderate bumps. I love my langes, but being as light as I am, I've gotta be going like 40 to get them to flex 'em (henceforth the "fast" thing).

Here's what I'm looking for in a boot. Something that holds my skinny ankle well, fairly soft forward flex (but not mushy), but quick and stiff laterally. I'm pretty familiar with Lange's, but any other suggestions are welcome. I also have some alignment issues (pronation) that I really need to address.

Thinking about it these past few days, I've decided that these two issues (boots too stiff and alignment) are really hampering my skiing. All the feed back I've gotten in clinics boils back down to these two issues. I have a REALLY tough time releasing my inside ski. It's the #1 thing I've been working on in my skiing (esp. in steep terrain) since I'm always on both inside edges. I've also been beat up for breaking at the waist in the bumps, which I'm sure is due to too stiff boots. I do OK 95% of the time and can ski lot of stuff. But it's time to take that next step. So any advice on bootfitters/alignment specialists in the SLC/Park City Area are also appreciated. I know the folks at Alta's Deep Powder House are pretty good, any one else ?


[ January 12, 2004, 02:15 PM: Message edited by: Lonnie ]
post #2 of 16
Lonnie, while my calves are probably not as small as yours, I was looking for a similar boot and have found my new Tecnica Icon XT17s to fit the bill very well (see this thread for my review). What I found with this boot is that it is not nearly as stiff as some people think, and has a very smooth, progressive flex. I did pull out the rear spoiler to make room for my thicker calf and keep me from getting too far forward. I do have a lifter under the toe, too.

I have also heard good things about the Rossi plug and the Dobie XS (the S may be too stiff).
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks Steve. I've had technicas on before and liked their fit. What's the difference between the XT and the XT17?

post #4 of 16
There are two XTs, and the only difference between them is flex. The XT17 is the softer of the two (if I remember rightly, the other is the XT25).
post #5 of 16
For boot fitters, I highly recommend Steve Bagely at Snowbird.

I have similar build to you- 5'8", 125 lbs, very thin ankles and calves, narrow, low volume feet. I have been in Raichle Flexons for the past 5 seasons (bought them at Snowbird, in fact). They may be very hard to find now, but they are worth looking for, in my opinion. Best boot I have ever owned.
post #6 of 16
if you have been in Langes and they are too roomy, moving to Tecnica will only cause the same problem. Tecnica's padding is quite soft and packs out quickly. What feels a good fit in the shop will turn into a higher-volume boot with about 4-7 ski days.

it really depends on where you find the Langes roomy.

Langes have relatively high insteps (medium-high), as do Tecnicas. If the instep and ankle are where your Langes are too large, I suggest trying a boot with a more pronounced pinch at the heel...

Rossi Bandit B2 or top line Power model -- same boot, different color schemes.

Head (formerly San Marco)

Kneissl (formerly Raichle)
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
Originally posted by dp:
I have been in Raichle Flexons for the past 5 seasons..
Funny, That was my last boot and I loved 'em... Do they hold your ankel ok or did they have to add stuff to them?

Hey, I COULD flex them....

As for my langes, the only place they are too big is in the ankle pocket. The forefoot fits well, might even be a wee bit snug...


[ January 13, 2004, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: Lonnie ]
post #8 of 16
Originally posted by gonzostrike:
if you have been in Langes and they are too roomy, moving to Tecnica will only cause the same problem. Tecnica's padding is quite soft and packs out quickly. What feels a good fit in the shop will turn into a higher-volume boot with about 4-7 ski days.
While I agree in general, I'd like to point out that this is much less likely with the XT. The liner is unlike any of the other Tecnica liners (about 1/2 to 1/3 of the thinkness of the consumer liners).

That said, Gonz certainly knows what he's talking about when it comes to shell shapes and fit.
post #9 of 16
I have a very similar foot: narrow, low volume foot with very small ankles, medium forefoot (thanks to bunions), and pronator.
My problem is also finding a boot where the heel is snug enough. I tried on the Doberman XS. They fit like a glove and I was surprised how easy they were to flex. Maybe you can find a place where you can try on these boots:

In the end I decided I couldn't justify spending $700 on a pair of boots. I bought the ladies Head FR 9.5 in a size smaller than
I normally wear (I bought a 25, I'm a 26) with the idea that they could stretch the forefoot to accomodate my bunion and big toe. This boot definitely grips my heel nicely, but it also pinches my forefoot, so I guess time will tell if this was a stupid thing to have done.
post #10 of 16
Lonnie- I needed no work at all in the heel pocket- all of the work has been to correct my screwy stance and pronation (done by Jeff Bergeron- also very highly recommended, but he's here in CO) with canting, the foot bed and foot board. I found that all of the comfort and snugness issues were taken care of by the Thermofit liner.
post #11 of 16
Definitely contact Jeff Bergeron and Greg Hoffmann (GMOLfoot here - from Green Mountain Orthotic Lab), bootfitting gurus and frequent posters here. They may well suggest that you visit a good boot fitter in your area and look at the Tecnica XT17 or the Dobermann XS. Don't be scared off by the 'plug boot' designation.

The Tecnica XT17 is NOT a 'regular' Tecnica - it is a plug boot which means that it is *much* less voluminous than regular boots. The liner is also much thinner. The '17' refers to its stiffness - this is their least stiff plug.

The Dobermann XS ('xtra-soft') is even narrower than the Tecnica XT17, both in the ankle and in the foot. The flex is very soft - softer than a Lange L10 - it compares better perhaps to a Lange '90' flex. Your ankle problem will go away, but you'll want a highly skilled bootfitter to sculpt the interior of the boot.

I skied the Rossi Freeride XXX (model from 3 years ago - same last as the race 1) boot - it was the thinnest 'production' boot I could find. It still wasn't thin enough. I've been skiing in the Dobermann Since November and can tell you, nothing else compares... The Dobermann XS is a bit stiffer than the old Freeride XXX.

[ January 14, 2004, 04:50 AM: Message edited by: Bearberry ]
post #12 of 16
I'd look for a nice soft plug boot like the Dobermann XS, which have a very narrow fit. Plug boots generally have screws in the back so you can play with flex. Be advised that buying a plug boot means that you will be getting to know a bootfitter pretty well.

If a plug boot is not for you, I know some Rossi production boots have little pads that can be velcro'd around the heel and forefoot to decrease volume. The only thing is that the the calves on those boots are fairly big.
post #13 of 16
I've heard (note, heard) that the Dobie XS actually is the STIFFEST Dobermann.

nomenclature issue, or am I wrong?
post #14 of 16
The XS is the softest.

If you don't believe me (and I ski 'em several days per week - ankles UN-locked), try these:

or any of several vendor sites.

There is a confusing line on the Masterfit Bootfitters site (
"With it's two-position variable flex, the Dobermann ranges from 18-25% softer than the jaws-don't-release WC version. It's also softer than confusingly named Dobermann Soft." Whatever... The XS is definitely the softest.

[ January 14, 2004, 05:56 PM: Message edited by: Bearberry ]
post #15 of 16
I have a slightly narrow foot and heel. I am using kids race boots (Rosignol 9) and they fit very well. (I wear a woman's 71/2 shoe) Also economical.
post #16 of 16
I have the same problem too, very small ankles but narrow foot too.I had a pair of rossi race 2 for three years which were great, but this year I bought a new pair of lange wc 130. These boots are great super tight no heal lift and best of all they are comfotable, from day one my feet did not hurt.
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