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Nordica Beast or Speedmachine?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I'm 6'3", about 205 lbs, approx. level 9 skier (20+ yrs skiing plus a few instructing).

Tried on Nordica Beast and liked the flex (120-110 Nordica scale) and fit in the shop. Have not tried on the Speedmachine, but assume the same last but a little stiffer (130-120 Nordica flex scale). Have been recommended to get the Speedmachine.

Users of these boots: Do you like the flex stiffness and/or have any recommendations?

Do these boots become significantly stiffer in the cold (the old GP boots used to turn to bricks)?

Can the Speedmachine flex be softened if neccessary?

I am looking for a boot to use with "new school" technique. More upright stance and hip angulation, not knee driving and excessive tip pressuring. With this, is flex as much an issue as it used to be? While boots seem to be getting softer in flex, lighter skiers seem to be using stiffer flexing boots (not flexing them as much as using them for support).

Thanks,

VicP
post #2 of 22
Hi Vic--

They are similar boots, both excellent (if they fit you--as with any boot). You might also try the Doberman 130, which is a superb boot, in my opinion (similar to the boot I ski). It does not have the adjustments or bells and whistles of the Speed Machine and Beast, but once you get it expertly fit and setup, it is one solid performing boot.

A good boot fitter can soften pretty much any boot, if needed, but with your size and skill, I don't think you'll find any of these boots too stiff. I weigh 45 lbs. less than you do, at 6' 1", and I ski the Doberman 150 plug boot. But I'll make the disclaimer that I prefer fairly stiff boots, for one thing, and that I do not share the popular belief that boots need to flex a lot, or that today's skis require softer flexing boots than the old skis did. Far fewer things in technique have changed than many would have you believe! For what it's worth, the Doberman 150 is a SOFT boot by World Cup standards. I believe some women race in it, but the men typically use custom-made Dobermans with flex indexes much higher than 150.

One thing I especially like about the Dobermans is that, stiff as they may be, the flex is very progressive and smooth. In other words, if you slam into a mogul with too much pressure forward, the boot will give a little, rather than banging into your shins.

You can try all these boots on in most good shops. The full plug models probably won't fit you at all well right out of the box (they are meant to be custom ground to fit your feet), but the Doberman 130 and the two boots you mentioned will give you a good idea of how they will fit.

Good luck!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #3 of 22
We were eating Monday night in Vail and the guy at the next table had a Nordica boot and said it was next year's Nordica, don't know what model, but looked to be very similar to the Doberman. The boot was red and appeared to be translucent plastic. Anybody know if Nordica is introducing next season's boots yet? IF it skis as good as it looks it will be a heck of a boot.
post #4 of 22
That is either the speed machine or the Beast. I too agree you don't need a soft flex for carving and cross under technique skiing. I just got the Beast and love them. It has a great neutral upright stance. Like Bob says, all boots must be properly fit. if you are in the Vail area, look up Kenny Freidman he was the owner of Kenny's double diamond and now runs Biofit. All he does now is fit boots. He works out of Gorsuch in beaver Creek and in Vail. I had him fit my boots and he did a superb job. I have never skied better and the boots ans ski set up is dead on solid and comfortable. If interested, PM me for number and details. Kenn will put you through a little rapid fire boot try on drill that will let you quickly know which boot is best for you.
post #5 of 22
Been skiing the Beast for the past 2 seasons and love them. Might replace them with the Speedmachine next year.

I am 6"1". 195lbs, an ex teacher and coach and love these boots. You can live in them. Does not make sense to get the Dobermanns for a teacher or for freeriding unless you are just determined to ski a race type boots. I personally never thought I would ski anything but a race boot but the Beast is a great boot and comfortable to boot (no pun intended). Wish they had these for the 20+ years I taught.
post #6 of 22
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Originally Posted by bsimeral
Been skiing the Beast for the past 2 seasons and love them. Might replace them with the Speedmachine next year.

I am 6"1". 195lbs, an ex teacher and coach and love these boots. You can live in them. Does not make sense to get the Dobermanns for a teacher or for freeriding unless you are just determined to ski a race type boots. I personally never thought I would ski anything but a race boot but the Beast is a great boot and comfortable to boot (no pun intended). Wish they had these for the 20+ years I taught.
Which beast? I have been in Tecnica for years...I put a BEAST on last night...and it felt like they used my foot for the 'last' design....I see that there are a few models...my history is similar to yours......I was thinking of the BEAST 10....
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by Shen
Which beast? I have been in Tecnica for years...I put a BEAST on last night...and it felt like they used my foot for the 'last' design....I see that there are a few models...my history is similar to yours......I was thinking of the BEAST 10....
The original one. Have 75-80 days in them and zero complaints. This year they have a whole menu of boots but they still have "the Beast" which is probably the one I would buy again. If not that, I would try the Speedmachine. The Beast 14, 12 and 10 are too soft for me. I skied Tecnica racing boots for 6 seasons before switching to the Beast and loved those boots as well. The Beast liner might be a touch warmer which is good for my old feet.
post #8 of 22
Bis, try switching out the different Zeppas in the Beasts, I ended up with a flat, hard zeppa and dumped the soft zeppa that is in the Beast. My foot was much more stable with the hard zeppa.
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by roundturns
We were eating Monday night in Vail and the guy at the next table had a Nordica boot and said it was next year's Nordica, don't know what model, but looked to be very similar to the Doberman. The boot was red and appeared to be translucent plastic. Anybody know if Nordica is introducing next season's boots yet? IF it skis as good as it looks it will be a heck of a boot.
My friend has a pair. They are Dobermanns but with a livable liner and cool looks. Think they had a flex index of 130 which is the lower end of the Dobermanns. We have the same foot size and shape and I tried them on....not as comfortable as the Beast or Speedmachine but good. They will deliver more performance for those seeking it than the Beast series without the pain of the Dobermanns. Cannot recall what they are named...but seemed like "hot" was in the name. They did the same thing 3 years ago and offered the Beast to testers, shop owners, etc. to get feedback....and orders.

This boot will sell but it does not have the broad appeal of the Beast series.
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the replies (special thanks to Bob Barnes for his detailed and informative reply). I wound up ordering the Beast from Nordica.

- Finndog - what are zeppas? Footboards? Where did you get the hard zeppa, from Nordica? Is it the Speedmachine one? I will be using be using custom footbeds and read somewhere that interfacing them requires some work. Does anyone know about this?

Thanks,
VicP
post #11 of 22
Vic, the zeppas (Italian for foot beds) are the boards that run under the liner. They have a great deal to do with your balance and forward lean. Do yourself a favor, take the zeppas out of the boots you are trying, then stand on top of them in your sock feet. Rock back and forth and side to side a little. Then go between the different pairs. You will see quickly which you feel most stable and comfortable on. For me, the softer zeppa on the Beasts threw me off a little, when the fitter had me stand on the hard flatter ones, I had a much better stance and balance. Not to knock custom foot beds, but I actually skied better on the stock beds because my foot just performs better sitting flat. The fitter told me that once boots are set up properly, the custom beds become secondary and should not play a big part of the boot at that point. FYI- he also cants under the ski binding and not in the boot.I skied one day of the 5 in my customs and I took them out because I was more stable on the stocks. I don't know if your shop will let you swap around zeppas but it really made a difference with me.
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by bsimeral
My friend has a pair. They are Dobermanns but with a livable liner and cool looks.
I guess cool looks are relative. I like the looks of my Dobie 110s better than any other boot I've seen. Why? They are plain black. They are not translucent. They have no gadgets on them, just four buckles and a strap. The tiny bit of silver and red of the buckles and a simple silver "N" logo is just enough contrast.
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by learn2turn
I guess cool looks are relative. I like the looks of my Dobie 110s better than any other boot I've seen. Why? They are plain black. They are not translucent. They have no gadgets on them, just four buckles and a strap. The tiny bit of silver and red of the buckles and a simple silver "N" logo is just enough contrast.
The cosmetic part is purely personal. Maybe I like the transluscent look to compensate for my declining skiing skills as I get older.....

The main thing is if the boot fits and skis well for you. However, I have endured "banana and pink panther boots in the past. They were awful looking then and still seem that way.

The new Nordica boot is supposed to be a non racing, more comfortable Dobermann from what I was told. Think the name is Redhot but not sure.
post #14 of 22

Nordica Dobermann

Bob - I was interested in your reply to Vic. I have just bought the Dobermann 130's and have had a custom footbed made and the liners heat moulded - they fit like a glove !.

One thing that concerned be was that the guy in the shop wasn't clear about whether the liners that come off the shelf are designed to be heated ? Do you know the answer ?

In response to your earlier comments I found the old Grand Prix boots very confortable with plenty of flex hence went for the Dobermann.

Thanks
post #15 of 22
i think the translucent look on boots makes it look a little bit more fragile expecially after you have broken them in
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by bsimeral

The new Nordica boot is supposed to be a non racing, more comfortable Dobermann from what I was told. Think the name is Redhot but not sure.
You mean the Hotrod? I tried it and at room temp thought it was too soft for me. I picked up the Beast this weekend and I'll report back soon.
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by Jim S
You mean the Hotrod? I tried it and at room temp thought it was too soft for me. I picked up the Beast this weekend and I'll report back soon.
Hotrod is the one. My friend just came back from Colorado but I have not talked to him to get feedback yet. he skied the beast for the past 3 seasons (it was offered to shop employees the year before being sold to the public).
post #18 of 22
i have the diablo race pro 130. not too stiff for me at 160 lbs. not for you either...i like the very even flex and even shin pressure. much better than the fire models.
post #19 of 22
has anyone here tried the diablo flame?
does anyone know how it compares to the beast 12/10?
post #20 of 22
All the Technica boots I tried in the shop were of similar or softer flex than the Beast IMHO. I was surprised.
post #21 of 22

I am a 5'6" female skier level 6. I've been skiing on the speed machine 120 (120-110) for the past two winters. I absolutely love them. I have a narrow ankle and moderately wide foot area. These are the first boots that I have owned that have been comfortable, snug without being tight and wonderfully responsive without being too stiff.

post #22 of 22

Five year old thread.  The Beast is dead. 

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