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post #1 of 22
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How "retro" are you willing to go....

If all the current skis/boots/technology is taken away... howa far back would you be willing to go before you said...this is not fun, I am goin in and having a "beverage of choice" and be done w/ skiing.

I remember taking out my beloved Pre 204cm 1200SP's about 3 years ago and asking myself "how the EFF did I ever ski these things.." Quite frankly, if I had to go back and ski them, I WOULD QUIT SKIING. At what point, would you quit?

Please note, all answers are subject to the BS meter .
post #2 of 22
I don't know that I can answer that. I do, however, have a pair of Gery and Black Rossi Super G's (circa 1984), 215cm, serial #93, that I keep threatening to take out on a day at a cruiser mountain. When I do that, maybe I can answer. (They have very few days on them, so the camber should be about like new.)
post #3 of 22
If really pushed hard - I would break out my circa 1985/6 K2 TRC Comps in 200cm and show these snowboarders what straight-lining a run is all about.

Now - if only I could my neon yellow and green jacket......
post #4 of 22
Never. Even if I had to ride a Cafeteria tray down the hill. Oh wait a minute, there doing that.:
post #5 of 22

no cable bindings for me

Wouldn't go back to cable bindings. I hated them as a kid and nowadays that just looks plain scary.
post #6 of 22
I don't think you could talk me back into my wax injected Hansen boots, but I would still ski the Hart Hustlers if I had to.
post #7 of 22
I would go back as far as when anti-friction plates and plastic soled boots as a release unit first came on the scene (early 70's?). I broke my leg due to the friction between my boot and ski and I won't go back to cable bindings and leather soles; they were the culprit. I really liked my K2 Winter Heats. I'd ski them.
post #8 of 22
If I had to go back to tele on wooden skis with leather boots, it's still sliding on lumber down a hill with snow on it!!
post #9 of 22
I am absolutely not a gear geek, and finally just switched to shaped skis two seasons ago. I was in ignorant bliss and enjoyed the pi$$ out of skiing skinny skis for 30+ years. It's all good, just get me on the hill. I have to say that finally using shaped skis is kind of like when an old golfer/hacker retires and gets an expensive set of clubs as a farewell gift. Despite being physically over the hill, they can see their game improve because of the superior equipment.
As I reflect, I have to say one of my favorite skis was a pair of Dynasters I got in the late '70s. They had a slightly more narrow waist then most contemporary skis back then and I always felt they were real quick turners.
Since switching to modern shaped skis I've enjoyed trying to make the adjustment from short quick turns to longer radius carved turns.
post #10 of 22
I learned in leather boots with veyr long laces, cable bindings and wooden skis, and remember it being a horrible struggle, but that gear is so similar to the tele stuff we use now and quite enjoy, so to be honest, I'm not sure.
If skiing was banned and we had to snowboard, I'd give it up for sure.
post #11 of 22
I'm not sure anything could keep me from sliding down a mountain, but the new technology has sure made it clear that the "old days" certainly required more of us than the current technology does.

It would be interesting to try my 1971 Fischers, but they'd be a little short for me now!
post #12 of 22
Consider this - uttered by one of the best skiers I've ever known:

"The new skis and equipment available today will make you ski better, but they won't make you a better skier."

True?
post #13 of 22
Great post now that we're all spoiled with the "NEW GEAR" that keeps getting better every year. I guess the question I have to ask myself is am I enjoying skiing more comensurate with the advancements in equipment?

I believe I'm skiing better now versus before and I think the equipment is responsible, but I can't honestly say my skiing enjoyment registers an increase in step with the equipment advances.

I've always immensely enjoyed the sport. But as you inquired to take a backward leap , that would be difficult. We all hope to ski better with each outing, to start going backward would be difficult to accept.
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by Sluff Vertigo
Consider this - uttered by one of the best skiers I've ever known:

"The new skis and equipment available today will make you ski better, but they won't make you a better skier."

True?
Partly true.

It's entirely possible to hop on a brand new pair of nth-generation skis and ski them with a feet-together, swivel-hipped, 1980's era technique. Because they have more sidecut and are probably a lot wider and more forgiving than the 80's-era skis, they *will* make you ski more efficiently and more easily. I suspect that equates to making you "ski better".

But it's also absolutely true that using that same technique on new skis will not make you a better skier. You'll still be the same skier you always were, just with better, easier skis.

Bob
post #15 of 22
Take shape skis away and I'd mourn for a spell,,,, then I'd just go out and carve big radius turns again.
post #16 of 22
I'll go back to 1990-1991, not earlier than that.
That would put me on 205 cm Voelkl RS-Super and on to K2 204 cm SL, with Salomon rear entry SX 92 boots and then my current Tecnica TNTs (yes, I've been skiing with those all this time). I'd still happily ski on those. Before that...bah, 205 cm Dynamic Vr27, 200 cmm Maxel GS, 195 cm GS Freyrie, 180 cm Elan...
But I think that I still would find it fun, hence I wouldn't stop skiing.
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by roundturns
I guess the question I have to ask myself is am I enjoying skiing more comensurate with the advancements in equipment?
I believe I'm skiing better now versus before and I think the equipment is responsible, but I can't honestly say my skiing enjoyment registers an increase in step with the equipment advances.
The magnitude of skiing enjoyment might not be bigger but there are more situations I can really enjoy, e.g. flat slopes or catwalks which used to be a nuisance but now are a perfect training ground.

Skiing better or a better skier: it deserves some thinking, at least on my part.
Might even be an inspiration for an article - THANKS!!!
post #18 of 22
For me I think it would be hard for new gear technology to recreate the excitement of the first few years of really skiing for me. The new experiences and the rapid evolving technique combined with less crowded mountains created memories that I will never forget. I think anything new is most exciting in the beginning.
The first time I strapped on 230+ skiis for some downhill competition;
the first time I nailed a bump run from start to finish with full control;
the first time I made my first long haul out of bounds run on fresh untouched snow;
the first time I did a solid backscratcher while holding my tails;
the first time I pulled off a flip and landed square for a photo;
the first cornice hop;
the first spring skiing day in shorts and T-shirt;
the first time skiing through a lake of slush and water on a hot sunny day;
the first waist deep powder run;
the first time taking a dare to jump off a chair lift on a nice vertical run out;
all of these first times were exciting regardless of the ski technology used.

However with that said, I get to re-live all these firsts again while teaching my kids.

There is something about skiing that seems to take it a notch above other sports, whether it is the freedom, the adrenaline, the excercise, the accomplishment, or the incredible views and fresh air, it is an awesome sport.
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by easyrider
For me I think it would be hard for new gear technology to recreate the excitement of the first few years of really skiing for me. The new experiences and the rapid evolving technique combined with less crowded mountains created memories that I will never forget. I think anything new is most exciting in the beginning.
The first time I strapped on 230+ skiis for some downhill competition;
the first time I nailed a bump run from start to finish with full control;
the first time I made my first long haul out of bounds run on fresh untouched snow;
the first time I did a solid backscratcher while holding my tails;
the first time I pulled off a flip and landed square for a photo;
the first cornice hop;
the first spring skiing day in shorts and T-shirt;
the first time skiing through a lake of slush and water on a hot sunny day;
the first waist deep powder run;
the first time taking a dare to jump off a chair lift on a nice vertical run out;
all of these first times were exciting regardless of the ski technology used.

However with that said, I get to re-live all these firsts again while teaching my kids.

There is something about skiing that seems to take it a notch above other sports, whether it is the freedom, the adrenaline, the excercise, the accomplishment, or the incredible views and fresh air, it is an awesome sport.
Dude. You really nailed it with that list. I was having flashbacks.
post #20 of 22
i would refuse to wear a 1 piece neon fart sack
post #21 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
How "retro" are you willing to go....

If all the current skis/boots/technology is taken away... howa far back would you be willing to go before you said...this is not fun, I am goin in and having a "beverage of choice" and be done w/ skiing.

I remember taking out my beloved Pre 204cm 1200SP's about 3 years ago and asking myself "how the EFF did I ever ski these things.." Quite frankly, if I had to go back and ski them, I WOULD QUIT SKIING. At what point, would you quit?

Please note, all answers are subject to the BS meter .
Everything is relative. When I started skiing 50 years ago I thought the equipment was great. I am sure that every skier of every era has thought the same.

However, I would not trade todays equipment for anything in the past. It is truly marvelous.

If someone said that all the modern equipment was gone and there was no choice but to ski on these relics....I would choose to do that rather than not ski. My technique would merely adapt back to the state of the art of the equipment. In time, shaped skis and carving would be but a distant memory.

I exist....I ski.

PS - I hope that this is all just a bad dream.
post #22 of 22
My first skis and boots were World War two surplus. All wood, no metal edges the wood was nicely rounded on the edges and you had to scrape terribly sticky wax up and down the ski to get it to slide. All kinds of different colors. The silver was the worst to try and get off. Skis, clothing, carpet. OOPS. They were just the finest thing during a freezing rain. You had two choices. Go with the tips down the fall line, or go with the tips across the fall line. The speed difference was only a few miles per hour.

I would still ski that outfit if that is all there were to ski.
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