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Neox Binding Positions

post #1 of 98
Thread Starter 
What is the process to adjust the Neox bindings to the forward position?

Is it pretty painless?

I haven't really looked at them or played around yet but obviously there is a screw on the little plastic piece that has the position names on it.
post #2 of 98
Funny you should ask I have some questions too regarding the Neox and my wife's cleaning lady put my binding instructions someplace and I am not able to find them!

I got new boots last night and got a crash course in adjusting the Neox to fit the smaller shell 307 vs. 316. The shop gave me the settings for the 307 shell. Unless I'm missing the obvious, I don't believe the Neox binding duplicates the verio zone settings of previous Atomic bindings.

When you unscrew the single screw and pop off the plastic , there are two steel plates that move forward and back that adjust the toe and heel positions to accomodate the size of the boot shell. These plates are stenciled with size numbers to match mm boot shell. I was told after I make the number adjustments that match my boot sizing to screw in the screw on the back of the heel piece for final adjustment(forward pressure) . My question is when this screw is adjusted correctly , what is it flush with? The metal strip underneath it, or the outside edge of the plastic housing?

I don't see the adjustment on the Neox that allows you to adjust binding position like the Veriozone tracking movements. If I'm incorrect I apologize and somebody much more knowledgeable than me will correct me.
post #3 of 98
The NEOX binding has many more forward and rearward positions than the Variozone models of the past, and the NEOX positions are are much closer together.

But, its a pain in the arse, especially on the hill when the bindings are iced up. Studies showed that after initially finding the sweet spot, most skiers did not constantly adjust the fore/aft positioning.

The basic adjusting goes like this;

Between the heel and toe pieces there is a white-ish plastic plate with one large headed screw holding it on. On either side of the screw are little windows which show numbers. These numbers refer to boot sole length in centimeters (not boot shell size). Both numbers should be the same. If the sole length is 293mm, the reading should be 29 in both windows. If the sole is 297 then both windows should have the mark between 29 and 30 in the window. On the little white-ish plastic plate is an arrow. On the black piece directly under it is written either 'forward' or 'central'. If your numbers are equal and the arrow points to central, you're centered. If the numbers are equal and the arrow points to forward, you're 1cm forward. To make the adjustment, remove the central locking screw (the one which holds the white-ish plastic plate) and remove it and the plate. Point the arrow of the plate to where you want to be (forward or center) and check the numbers. Slide the toe piece forward or rearward as well as the heel piece to where you want to be. Screw the center screw snug and make surethat the windows show equal numbers or half numbers in the middle of the window or the teeth of the bands won't mesh properly. Engage your boot in the binding and remove it. Check to see that the numbers are still ok. Make adjustments if not. If all is good, put the boot back in and check the forward pressure at the back of the heel piece. Its the lowest screw. The heel piece housing should be flush with the screw head on 3-10 or 1mm recessed for 4-12 or 6-14.

Now for the infinite placement;

Because the toe and heel adjust separately, if more forward positioning is desired, move the toe piece to a higher number, and move the heel piece to a lower number. As long as the average is the same as the boot sole, the distance will be the same. (Average = (x+y)/2) 29=(29+29)/2 29=(31+27)/2 The opposite is if you want to go back of center.
post #4 of 98
Thread Starter 
Sweet

Thanks for the instructions
post #5 of 98

Neox Adjustments

Thank you for the excellent instructions for adjusting the binding correctly. For what ever reason the guy at the shop last night said for me 30.5 on one side 30 on the other for my 307 mm shells. I defer to your considerable knowledge and expertise and went 30.5 both sides.

I can't imagine making those adjustments out on the hill. It took me about 30 minutes with good light sliding that track back and forth to get the settings I needed. Won't be doing that again anytime soon. I appreciate your inputs and explanations.
post #6 of 98
The manual says to tighten the the center screw to 4.0Nm. How tight is that?

BTW, I just checked my shop mounted Neox bindings and found that the numbers in the two windows don't match. One shows 31.5 and the other shows 32.5 for 317mm soles. Now why would you have two different numbers showing? A mistake?
post #7 of 98
4 newton meter = 2.9502486 foot pound-force

http://www.onlineconversion.com/torque.htm
post #8 of 98
Hmm...ok so now I know exactly how much it is, but how about in terms of hand tightening?

Also what size screw driver does this screw need? Looks like a posi drive head but I'm not sure on the size. Maybe a #3?
post #9 of 98
Pretty much. A lug nut is 90-120 ft/lbs. So just use a couple of fingers,ok.;-)
post #10 of 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Betaracer
The NEOX binding has many more forward and rearward positions than the Variozone models of the past, and the NEOX positions are are much closer together.

But, its a pain in the arse, especially on the hill when the bindings are iced up. Studies showed that after initially finding the sweet spot, most skiers did not constantly adjust the fore/aft positioning.

The basic adjusting goes like this;

Between the heel and toe pieces there is a white-ish plastic plate with one large headed screw holding it on. On either side of the screw are little windows which show numbers. These numbers refer to boot sole length in centimeters (not boot shell size). Both numbers should be the same. If the sole length is 293mm, the reading should be 29 in both windows. If the sole is 297 then both windows should have the mark between 29 and 30 in the window. On the little white-ish plastic plate is an arrow. On the black piece directly under it is written either 'forward' or 'central'. If your numbers are equal and the arrow points to central, you're centered. If the numbers are equal and the arrow points to forward, you're 1cm forward. To make the adjustment, remove the central locking screw (the one which holds the white-ish plastic plate) and remove it and the plate. Point the arrow of the plate to where you want to be (forward or center) and check the numbers. Slide the toe piece forward or rearward as well as the heel piece to where you want to be. Screw the center screw snug and make surethat the windows show equal numbers or half numbers in the middle of the window or the teeth of the bands won't mesh properly. Engage your boot in the binding and remove it. Check to see that the numbers are still ok. Make adjustments if not. If all is good, put the boot back in and check the forward pressure at the back of the heel piece. Its the lowest screw. The heel piece housing should be flush with the screw head on 3-10 or 1mm recessed for 4-12 or 6-14.

Now for the infinite placement;

Because the toe and heel adjust separately, if more forward positioning is desired, move the toe piece to a higher number, and move the heel piece to a lower number. As long as the average is the same as the boot sole, the distance will be the same. (Average = (x+y)/2) 29=(29+29)/2 29=(31+27)/2 The opposite is if you want to go back of center.
One bit of clarification respectfully of course Mr. BetaR.
With the tip of the ski to your left, standing on the left side of the ski, lets say for for a 310mm boot.

31 should be to the left of the mark on the black plate in the window closest to you and 31 should be to the right of the mark in the window farthest from you. This is in the centered position, yes?

I believe this would be the same for the forward position also, but the windows would be closer to the tip of the ski by a few mm?
post #11 of 98
I need to order a Posidrive screwdriver for the NEOX screw, anyone know what size it is?
post #12 of 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max_501
I need to order a Posidrive screwdriver for the NEOX screw, anyone know what size it is?
#3 Pozi, I have 2 of the following one for my bench and one for my pack.


http://www.tognar.com/bind.html#SAN-BE8830


and

a couple of these for my drill!

A long one and a short one. Long one works well for heel piecce screws, like on Marker's to get ta good angle. neox you don't really need the long one.

http://www.tognar.com/bind.html#SPK-POZIB6
post #13 of 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max_501
The manual says to tighten the the center screw to 4.0Nm. How tight is that?

BTW, I just checked my shop mounted Neox bindings and found that the numbers in the two windows don't match. One shows 31.5 and the other shows 32.5 for 317mm soles. Now why would you have two different numbers showing? A mistake?
Depending on which one is bigger than the other, its either set too tight or too loose. Regardless, the forward pressure setting probably has enough adjustment to make up for it. Are both ski's set up the same?

That's why I mount my own bindings. People say technician this, shop that but an Atomic binding on Atomic plate isn't all that complicated and I'd rather do it myself and know it's done right.
post #14 of 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit2941
Depending on which one is bigger than the other, its either set too tight or too loose. Regardless, the forward pressure setting probably has enough adjustment to make up for it. Are both ski's set up the same?

That's why I mount my own bindings. People say technician this, shop that but an Atomic binding on Atomic plate isn't all that complicated and I'd rather do it myself and know it's done right.
Read my post above, I have the Neox instructions here! there is no 31.5 or 32.5. You always go to the next smaller 10 so a 317 is set at 31 (310mm)

It should look like this in the window
32|31

31|32

With the tips to your left standing on the left side of the ski.

This would be the centered position (with the top cap in the center arrow in the rear) 310-319mm boot sole length. You then adjust forward pressure of the heel with lower screww flush or 1mm inside housing!
post #15 of 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
Read my post above, I have the Neox instructions here! there is no 31.5 or 32.5. You always go to the next smaller 10 so a 317 is set at 31 (310mm)

It should look like this in the window
32|31

31|32

With the tips to your left standing on the left side of the ski.

This would be the centered position (with the top cap in the center arrow in the rear) 310-319mm boot sole length. You then adjust forward pressure of the heel with lower screww flush or 1mm inside housing!
I know - what I said concurs with the instructions. If the window has 2 different numbers displayed like he said (in his case 31.5 and 32.5) then the binding is either set a little too tight or a little too loose depending on which number is which - unless these numbers are exactly the same length away from the average which they're not. I'm assuming by 31.5 he means the line between 31 and 32.

Also, both sides should be set at 31.5(or the line between 31 and 32), not 31 as you had written (but I know you mean the line between from what you wrote below it). As in, the line between 31 and 32 would be for 315 mm or 31.5 CM.
post #16 of 98
what the heck,

Te bindings should be set just like I showed!

32|31
31|32

This is set to between 310 & 319MM


This setup fit my 314mm boot without adjusting forward pressure and put my boot center directly on the ski center mark (B5 Metron)

These work nothing like the CR4.12 which is a toe mount system, not center mount!

BetaR where are you?
post #17 of 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
what the heck,

Te bindings should be set just like I showed!

32|31
31|32

This is set to between 310 & 319MM
These work nothing like the CR4.12 which is a toe mount system, not center mount!

BetaR where are you?
Which is exactly what I'm saying.......the line between 31 and 32! Or, 31.5! Whereas, 31 is for 310-314, the line between for 315-319, and 32 for 320.
post #18 of 98
I disagree you would mount a 315 to 320 in the same place there are no 315 or 325.

Just like on your 4.12 you always mount ot the next lower 10. a 317 would be mounted on the 310 hole in your CR4.12
post #19 of 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
I disagree you would mount a 315 to 320 in the same place there are no 315 or 325.

Just like on your 4.12 you always mount ot the next lower 10. a 317 would be mounted on the 310 hole in your CR4.12
No. A 317 is mounted at the mark between 31 and 32. You say there is no 315 or 325 - the 315 and 325 is the mark between those two numbers.

Read Betaracers instructions. "If the sole length is 293mm, the reading should be 29 in both windows. If the sole is 297 then both windows should have the mark between 29 and 30 in the window."

In this case, mounted directly on 29 is for 290-294, the mark between 29 and 30 is for 295-299, and directly on 30 is for 300-304.

So like I said before, a 317 should be mounted at the mark between 31 and 32, as it is for sole lenghts of 315-319.

You can usually get away with mounting to the lower 10 as you say, as the forward pressure adjustment usually has enough adjustment to screw it in enough to be flush. But the proper way for a boot such as 317 or 297 is the line between the two.
post #20 of 98
If you take the window cap & the black plate off and look at the grey pieces marked with the bootsole measurements, you will see that each mark only corresponds to each number, there are no 1/2 marks, there are only marks corresponding to each 10mm
post #21 of 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
If you take the window cap & the black plate off and look at the grey pieces marked with the bootsole measurements, you will see that each mark only corresponds to each number, there are no 1/2 marks, there are only marks corresponding to each 10mm
If these are similar to adjusting the Device series(which it sounds like they are from Betaracers instructions) the mark is in fact a half mark. I don't own a pair of Neox's as of yet so I haven't been able to take them apart. I just know that it sounds just like the Device adjustment by the description and the instructions. If there is no half mark, why do Betaracers instructions say there are?
post #22 of 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit2941
If these are similar to adjusting the Device series(which it sounds like they are from Betaracers instructions) the mark is in fact a half mark. I don't own a pair of Neox's as of yet so I haven't been able to take them apart. I just know that it sounds just like the Device adjustment by the description and the instructions. If there is no half mark, why do Betaracers instructions say there are?
I just took mine aprt to look at them, there is 1 mark for each number on the scale. I have my heel piece in my hand it is marked as follows:

36|35|34|33|32|31|30|29|28|27|

The first mark is a 36 thenext is a 35 the next is a 34 the next is 33 the next is 32, the next is 31, the next is 30, the next is 29, the next is 28, the last is a 27

10 marks, 10 sizes there would be 20 marks if there were 1/2's on the scale.

Now the relationship between the the two pieces (toe & heel scales) could make 1/2 sizes but they would be set to twoo different "WHOLE" numbers like one at 30 & 29 may make a 29.5 but would you set the toe or heel to the lower or higher # on the scale. I think it would depend on boot sole center mark to ski sole center mark in the centered postion. In forward it seems completely up for grabs?

One mark for each size! Where are the 1/2 marks?
post #23 of 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
I just took mine aprt to look at them, there is 1 mark for each number on the scale. I have my heel piece in my hand it is marked as follows:

36|35|34|33|32|31|30|29|28|27|

The first mark is a 36 thenext is a 35 the next is a 34 the next is 33 the next is 32, the next is 31, the next is 30, the next is 29, the next is 28, the last is a 27

10 marks, 10 sizes there would be 20 marks if there were 1/2's on the scale.

Now the relationship between the the two pieces (toe & heel scales) could make 1/2 sizes but they would be set to twoo different "WHOLE" numbers like one at 30 & 29 may make a 29.5 but would you set the toe or heel to the lower or higher # on the scale. I think it would depend on boot sole center mark to ski sole center mark in the centered postion. In forward it seems completely up for grabs?

One mark for each size! Where are the 1/2 marks?
Good question. Why are there half marks? Why do the instructions say to use the half marks(ie mark between 31 and 32 for 317)? What happens when you set the binding to the mark between 2 numbers?
post #24 of 98
Wow!!!!!

There Are No Marks Between 2 Numbers Each Mark Corresponds To One Number!!!!!!!!
post #25 of 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
Wow!!!!!

There Are No Marks Between 2 Numbers Each Mark Corresponds To One Number!!!!!!!!
Ok, as I said I don't have these in front of me, but my question is:

Why do Betaracers instructions say "If the sole length is 293mm, the reading should be 29 in both windows. If the sole is 297 then both windows should have the mark between 29 and 30 in the window" If the numbers don't correspond to different positions then the marks between them??
post #26 of 98
Because the mark between 29 & 30 is a 300 & the mark between 28 & 29 is is a 290.

Count the lines on my pic starting at 27, and you see what I mean!
post #27 of 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
Because the mark between 29 & 30 is a 300 & the mark between 28 & 29 is is a 290.

Count the lines on my pic starting at 27, and you see what I mean!
So what happens if you set it directly on 29 or directly on 30? Or won't the binding let you do that? The directions make a distinction between setting it directly on the number and the line in between, thats why I ask. That and on the Device series, the mark in between is in fact a half mark(which concurs with Betaracers instructions for the Neox being similar, which is must not be since you have it in front of you).
post #28 of 98
I don't know? all the Atomic instructions only show whole numbers being set on either side of the mark on the black plate with forward & center marked on it!

On the other hand the Atomic instructions show a photo for a 340 boot in the forward position and the drawing makes no sense for that boot size.
post #29 of 98
But now we are talking about where the number or mark actually sits in the window. On the mark or on either side of it for a particular size.

One thingis for sure!

If there is this much confusion, Atomic's instructions suck!
post #30 of 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
I don't know? all the Atomic instructions only show whole numbers being set on either side of the mark on the black plate with forward & center marked on it!

On the other hand the Atomic instructions show a photo for a 340 boot in the forward position and the drawing makes no sense for that boot size.
Interesting. I'll have to take a look at the teeth on a Device binding when I get a chance and compare them when I see a Neox.
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