EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Atomic bindings: 412 vs 614
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Atomic bindings: 412 vs 614

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Hi,

My first post so hopefully I don't say anything stupid

I'm thinking of buying a pair of atomic SX:9 skis in 170cm, they have been prefitted with the 412 bindings, but some people at other stores have suggested that the 614 binding would be better suited. I'm about 100kg and 184 cm, so I was wondering a) which would be better suited for me and b) what are the differences generally between the two bindings.

Thanks!
post #2 of 28
The 4.12 DIN goes from 4-12 the 6.14 from 6-14. It is best if your setting is close to the middle of the range. I would think at your weight over 200 Lbs. if my calculation is correct the 6.14 would be better. I am about 190lbs. and use the 6.14 set on 10.

Also the 6.14 has more positions for the Vario-zone adjustment (you can adjust the entire binding position on the ski with the flick of a lever and then slide it) 4.12 has 4 positions 6.14 has 5.
post #3 of 28
The 614 has a much beefier heelpiece. The only oldskool ESS/Atomic bindings I feel comfortable in are the 1018s with the full metal heel.

412 heels tend to break, then release with wildly varying torque values.
post #4 of 28
I have also had a 412 heelpiece break. Something let go inside and it wouldn't hold me in after that. Now I stick with the 614s.
post #5 of 28
The old 614 bindings, niow replaced by Neox, should be available at such a good price that the (price) difference betwenn 412 and 614 pays off.
post #6 of 28
Now I'm worried about my new 412's. I weigh 225.
post #7 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by jstraw
Now I'm worried about my new 412's. I weigh 225.
No need to worry because of the DIN range unless you race or are a freeride expert.
I don´t know your age, ski level and sole length but if they are around some usual values your setting won´t be more than 9, I guess. Which works fine.
post #8 of 28
Yeah, you shouldn't be worried about the setting range. You should be worried about having them break.

Trust me, you'll know when they do. All of the sudden you won't be able to keep your skis on. This isn't very likely, but I probably see a half dozen broken heels a year in these bindings, compared to zero broken heels from anyone else.

The new NEOX bindings are much, much better. Still heavy and stupid looking, but much more functional and well designed.
-Garrett
post #9 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by skiingman
The new NEOX bindings are much, much better. Still heavy and stupid looking, but much more functional and well designed. Garrett
Skiingman, what makes a binding "look stupid"?
I don´t advocate the Neox nor disagree with you. I just find it interesting and would like to know.
BTW, the toe piece is finally as it approximately should be in 2004
I never had problems with 614 nor, logically, with 1018. It has been covered not only here, I know.
post #10 of 28
What's Atomic's warranty policy? And how much trouble am I in since the Galyan's in KC that mounted them for me didn't give me back any of the packaging or documentation nor did I think to ask...
post #11 of 28
You shouldn't have any problems with the warranty. I used to have a R11 mounted with a Xentrix 412 which I bought used on Ebay. After a while, one of the bindings kept releasing without provocation, so I took it to a shop and they replaced it for free after calling Atomic. Looks like it was a known problem. I vaguely remember hearing that the newer ones, the CR412's fixed this problem, but I'm not sure. I have two other 412's, Race and SX (same except for cosmetics) and they have been fine.
post #12 of 28
Man I just had 412's but on my Atomic c9's this past weekend. My setting is an 8 and it held really well, should I be worried at all?
post #13 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by skiingman
Yeah, you shouldn't be worried about the setting range. You should be worried about having them break.

Trust me, you'll know when they do. All of the sudden you won't be able to keep your skis on. This isn't very likely, but I probably see a half dozen broken heels a year in these bindings, compared to zero broken heels from anyone else.

The new NEOX bindings are much, much better. Still heavy and stupid looking, but much more functional and well designed.
-Garrett
That was only on a limited number of 4.12 from a few years ago. The problem was taken care of long ago. It has not been an issue with the newer 4.12.
post #14 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by checkracer
The old 614 bindings, niow replaced by Neox, should be available at such a good price that the (price) difference betwenn 412 and 614 pays off.
Not true. all the Atomic speed skis and GS or slaloms mounted with the World Cup plate only take the Race 4.12/6.14 or 10.18 bindings. And the GS& SL skis with the new plate will take Device/ Neox or Race and all the racers I have seen are using the same old Race 4.12/6.14 or 10.18 & Bode/Daron/Hermann & the like are still on the same old 10.18!
post #15 of 28
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by checkracer
The old 614 bindings, niow replaced by Neox, should be available at such a good price that the (price) difference betwenn 412 and 614 pays off.
After talking to the shop again, it seems that they only have the 412 (which is prefitted), so my options are to :

a) buy the sx:9 with 412 for about $aus900
b) buy the sx:9 with 412 for about $aus900 and then buy a 614 from a different store (list price is $aus500 but on ebay is $usd99)
c) buy the sx:9 with 614 from another store for about $aus1200

so there is actually a big price difference for me and i'm not sure what to do


as i can see it, they're my options which are somewhat limited as a result of living in australia
post #16 of 28
Just get the 4.12's. If they break or you find yourself coming out too much, replace/upgrade to 6.14. I am 195lbs and ski on the 4.12s pretty hard at Din 10. Besides a few toe pre-release issues in the course, I have had no issues with my 4.12's.
post #17 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
Not true. all the Atomic speed skis and GS or slaloms mounted with the World Cup plate only take the Race 4.12/6.14 or 10.18 bindings. And the GS& SL skis with the new plate will take Device/ Neox or Race and all the racers I have seen are using the same old Race 4.12/6.14 or 10.18 & Bode/Daron/Hermann & the like are still on the same old 10.18!
OK, thanks for the info.
I know the 412/614/1018 continue to be the race bindings (as I posted earlier, I also use the 614 and 1018, to my full satisfaction)
I just reflected the situation on the market where I´m at home:
all sets including the new "(quasi)race" line have the Neox bindings
the true race models are hard to get and not offered officially here
(what a shame , agreed)
the big American market is happier
But still: I have seen somwhere here the e-bay offer of SX:614 for 100 bucks, which, I´m sure, is really a good price - even for us in the poor East
post #18 of 28
I had the 412s on my old GS11s and raced on them quite a bit - no problems, very nice bindings. Got the 614s this year. There's some metal in place of plastic on some parts and I fit better in that DIN range so a logical choice. I wonder if on the next generation of race skis Atomic is going to integrate a true race version of the Neox...I was expecting this year's to take them, so I was suprised to learn that my new skis would only take the old binding.
post #19 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by presc
I had the 412s on my old GS11s and raced on them quite a bit - no problems, very nice bindings. Got the 614s this year. There's some metal in place of plastic on some parts and I fit better in that DIN range so a logical choice. I wonder if on the next generation of race skis Atomic is going to integrate a true race version of the Neox...I was expecting this year's to take them, so I was suprised to learn that my new skis would only take the old binding.
The Wold cup plates only take the Race bindings, but the other plate will take Device/ Neox or race!
post #20 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
Not true. all the Atomic speed skis and GS or slaloms mounted with the World Cup plate only take the Race 4.12/6.14 or 10.18 bindings. And the GS& SL skis with the new plate will take Device/ Neox or Race and all the racers I have seen are using the same old Race 4.12/6.14 or 10.18 & Bode/Daron/Hermann & the like are still on the same old 10.18!
The racers are on the 1018 because there isn't a 1018 Neox.

That'd be my take anyway.

The younger racers are on the 412/614 because, lets be honest, who doesn't have a few pair in their basement?
post #21 of 28
Garrett,

Actually the Black plate that comes on the race Stock GS 11m which is the same plate as Atomic has used on their speed skis for years only accepts the 4.12/6.14/10.18.

If Bode wanted a 10.18 Neox I am pretty damn sure Atomic would come up with some beefier springs?
post #22 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
Garrett,

Actually the Black plate that comes on the race Stock GS 11m which is the same plate as Atomic has used on their speed skis for years only accepts the 4.12/6.14/10.18.

If Bode wanted a 10.18 Neox I am pretty damn sure Atomic would come up with some beefier springs?
Yeah, I know the plate setup. Sold a nice women's FIS SG/GS/SL setup the other day.

It isn't about coming up with beefier springs, as you can imagine that would be very simple. The whole NEOX heel housing, perhaps toe housing, and definitely the thin gauge track would have to be changed out. As you know, the 1018 heel is nothing like the 614 heel, same for everyone else on earth's race binding.
post #23 of 28
I know, you are right, but ifmtheynthought they need a 10.18 Neox they eould have made one. the old 10.18 works just fine!
post #24 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
I know, you are right, but ifmtheynthought they need a 10.18 Neox they eould have made one. the old 10.18 works just fine!
Sure as heck does. Why fix what ain't broke?

Only good reason is for continuity to the consumer. So people aren't on message boards wondering why the racers aren't using the pimp new binding, or more correctly the race binding designed to look like the new binding.

Interestingly, Neox bindings sell themselves. People really like them. They weigh a metric ton, but they do look neat.
-Garrett
post #25 of 28
Skiingman,
you first said the Neox was "looking stupid" and I asked you to explain what makes a binding look so.
Now you say "they do look neat".
I don´t want to press you but "stupid" or "neat", please?
Not that it is that important - if they "sell themselves"

OTOH, I fully agree with your reasoning as to the unavailibility of Neox as a true race binding.
It also corresponds with what a man from Atomic told me this spring on a race ski demo in the Alps.
I guess the priority was to give the consumer a "moderner" binding of the type he sees around, maybe also to prove that they also have the trendy "central fix" system (here: fullflex twin).
It was also possible to incorporate the EBM which might have been important for prestigeous reasons or maybe as a first step to some more electronics.
The modified race version may be coming later.
post #26 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by checkracer
Skiingman,
you first said the Neox was "looking stupid" and I asked you to explain what makes a binding look so.
Now you say "they do look neat".
I don´t want to press you but "stupid" or "neat", please?
Not that it is that important - if they "sell themselves"
I understand the confusion.

I think they look stupid. Everyone else apparently thinks they look neat,
post #27 of 28
Who cares what they look like? I only care about four things when it comes to bindings.

How well do they function re: retention/release?
How do they effect ski performance?
How well made and servicable are they?
How much do they cost?
post #28 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by jstraw
Who cares what they look like?
Lots of people do.
I was surprised to hear even ski experts comment on the looks of the VIST binding or selecting a binding so that it matches the colors of the skis
I´m with you, though.
Function, quality and, well, price - that´s what it´s about.

@ skiingman
Thanks, yes, now there´s logic to it.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Ski Gear Discussion
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Atomic bindings: 412 vs 614