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post #61 of 68

Hey Bush, try it with the inside hip, instead of the inside hand.  The hip is what you're really trying to drive anyway,,, go to the source.  

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Dude, you have no clue.  Tell me, what am I being held back from in those two pics?    I'm actually disgusted by the amount of over generalization on this forum.  Your robo-demo turns won't do crap for you when it counts.   Sure, you may be an "expert" but you obviously will never be a good skier.  Go jump off a cliff, race, backcountry ski, carve and then talk to me.  Quite being the the tech-bitch all the time and have some soul.  

 

I'm out.


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Douche, eh?  Maybe you should go back and watch some of your vids.  40 degrees!  Ohhhh, scarey.  hahaha 

 

My experience with this forum is that there are three people that have a clue here and you and your Bush-buddy aren't them. 

post #63 of 68

Douche, eh?  Maybe you should go back and watch some of your vids.  40 degrees!  Ohhhh, scarey.  hahaha 

 

My experience with this forum is that there are three people that have a clue here and you and your Bush-buddy aren't them. 


You are right, I don't have a clue... as to what you are asking th_dunno-1[1].gif.  Sorry if I mis-judged you, but you posted a picture & asked for input.  Someone responded with an observation about something that was working for them that related to your unbalanced inside arm.  You then proceed to rant at him about his rigid skiing.  I apologize for my off hand comment, it was uncalled for.

 

I also don't have a clue to your "40 degrees" reference?

 

JF

post #64 of 68

In a way, this was a test.  It is so overwhelmingly obvious what the faults are in the pics and everyone but Ric in his last post focused on that.  Ric was the only one to go to the "source" and to talk about why I may even do this on purpose during some turns.  

 

There are right ways and wrong ways to explain things to your students.  Some of you obviously have a lot to learn about coaching. 

 

I'll now excuse myself from this forum.

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I think we must ask ourselves why driving the inside hand forward helps your edge grip?  I would suspect it is because that cue helps you develop more angulation, counter, and places your weight more dominantly over the inside edge of the outside ski?  Seems like good dynamic balancing to me?

 

your 100 percent correct, it just I cant do the same movements with out that inside had being even stronger than my outside hand.

 

I have made it point to do on nearly every turn, in every shape, in every conditions this year. Its amazing how much better it feels.

 

I only brought it up cause you said crudbasher had his own style, if his own style was holding him back wouldnt he wanted to change it?

 

 

HAHA, Hey Pudwacker, holding me back from what?  Did I not have edge grip?   Tell me where my tracks could be cleaner?

 

 

 


 

dude I wasnt knocking you I was just saying how much better it feels to ski with a leading inside hand due to what else you cause(ie leading hips and stronger inside half). Just because you had edge grip on what ever surface you were on doesnt mean it couldnt have been better. 

 

you can do what you want but strong hands = a strong skier. you do not have strong hands....

 

Also I was posting my own finding and acting slightly dumb to get some great posting out of the rest of the board.

 

also telling L3s, Dev teams, members, examiners that they have no clue is not  a good way to earn respect on here.

 

post #66 of 68

Whatever Mr. Talksoutofbothsidesofhismouth. 

 

Speaking of mouth, please don't put words in mine.  I didn't rip on level 3's and demo team guys specifically on this thread and I have nothing against PSIA or any other coaching organization.  There is always something new to learn or try (like me learning rails this week).  However, there are good coaches and coaches that ski good.  Some are neither.  Racing and free skiing speak volumes.  I'll leave it at that. 

post #67 of 68


Yes! Exactly!  This drill with grabbing towards the boot took my ski technique from good to unstoppable, this drill and it alone, fixed my fundamental problem in a race course of not being able to reverse the camber on my race skis.  To take it a step further I began to notice that the weight of my own head (what about 8 pounds usually right?) is VERY useful in generating an even tighter angle.  So my turn (lets use a left turn for example) would look something like this:  skis about shoulder width apart, right (outside) ski slightly back with slightly more weight on it than the left (inside) which is almost but not quite pulling me into the turn, right hand is down by right boot, left hand on the imaginary steering wheel at about 8:30 o'clock, hips sinking into the turn with the left (inside forward) ski, and the clincher is that my head is thrust as far away from the turn as possible, so much that I have to look left using my peripherals in order to view the line.

 

So in this scenario the body is totally angulated, and yes HeluvaSkier, there is a Heluva Pinch right below the rib cage, on the side away from the turn.  That, as you say, is how to feel you're angulating fully.

 

I love the feeling of this turn.  Watch Didier Cuche ski.  He does this so well.

 

Once my coaches at Sugarloaf got me angulating like this, I really became a beast of a skier, and the fun quotient really went up.  I was always great in bumps since being a little kid but was never truly competitive in gates until developing this extreme angulation.

 

Long story short I couldn't agree more.
 

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There are some drills and ways of thinking to fix this one. Obviously you know your shoulders should be square - not leaning into the turn. What youre missing is the pinching feeling just below your ribs when youre turning (outside leg/ski) - so youre banking and not angulating. A good drill to fix this is to make your turns like you normally would but take a fully out stretched arm and touch your outside boot as your making the turn. This will exaggerate the pinch i talked about above.
The reason it doesnt happen on all mountain skis, is that they offer a wider platform to stand on and they generally do not exaggerate mistakes like race skis can. Chances are youre just reverting to old habbits on race skis, just because they are a more technically demanding ski, so you have to work harder on other things, like bending the skis.
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