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What's with news://rec.skiing.alpine?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
Does anyone know what's the deal with the internet newsgroup news://rec.skiing.alpine?

Evidently there's a history from years ago among the people. There's this one person who everyone seems to know, who responds to almost each thread with some bizzare sounding rhetoric. Then everybody tells him to go away, and then everyone continues about their business. This is repeated for almost every thread with a new posting. The people seem to be mostly from Seattle and everyone seems to travel Utah for the weekends.

I just can't follow who's who and what's what over there. Can anyone explain to a east-coaster what the story is?
post #2 of 10
Just ignore anybody who's crazy, and he will (generally) ignore you.

The story is too weird and complex to relate, or even to follow.

The craziness comes and goes.
post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
I wasn't bothered, nor was I posting there (much better here), just reading. I gather there is stalking, threats, arrests, law suits and court cases involved.

It's almost surreal, but I still don't understand who's who and what's going on.
post #4 of 10
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Originally Posted by ElkMountainSkier
There's this one person who everyone seems to know, who responds to almost each thread with some bizzare sounding rhetoric. Then everybody tells him to go away, and then everyone continues about their business.

Hmmm, IS he from Missoula Montana????
post #5 of 10
There are some strange people on the Internet. Some of them scare me.
post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
Hmmm, IS he from Missoula Montana????
No, I think he's from Seattle. It'a all very strange and convoluted on that newsgroup, so I'm not 100% certain.
post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by ElkMountainSkier
No, I think he's from Seattle. It'a all very strange and convoluted on that newsgroup...
It's even stranger than you think. Don't waste your time. I stopped long ago.
You're going to be sorry you asked about this, but here's more than you'll ever wish you'd known: GO

I will not invoke his name here, lest I be stalked to my grave.
post #8 of 10
EMS:

It's a realy strange in convoluted tale. It would literally take hours and hours to explain it. Here's the short version:

* rsa started over ten years ago and was a pretty small online community for the first few years.

* The person you're speaking of used to be the self-acclaimed "leader" of rsa. His online name was Two Buddha (TB for short).

* Before there was ever an annual EpicSki Gathering or PowderMag Maggotfest, several of the rsa members did an annual "Invasion" to get together, ski, drink, etc.

* At a British Columbia Invasion, TB had scored some free lift tickets from a couple of ski areas based on his "influence" with the online ski community.

* He gave some of the tickets to another attendee, who then (the fatal moment) gave some of the tickets to someone else.

* TB was incensed at the treachery of the other person and began a merciless (and extremely vulgar) flame campaign on rsa.

* Because most everyone else on the board thought the whole episode was insignificant if not downright funny, very little sympathy came TB's way.

* TB became more and more obsessed with what he considered to be disloyalty and traitorous activity, so he started to get more and more vocal.

* As his attacks increased in frequency and vulgarity, many of the other members started flaming back, either jokingly or in earnest.

* Names were called, threats were made, the general tone spiralled ever downward.

* While it was never proven that TB dropped the dime, one rsa member (a vocal opponent of TB) lost his job because someone notified his employer that he was posting while on company time.

* About that time, some supposedly serious threats were made and the King County (Seattle) District Attorney's office actually brought charges against TB and a judge issued a restraining order prohibiting him from posting on *any* public internet usegroup for a year.

* For the next year, an online persona who bore a striking resemblence to TB continued with the same kind of thing you're seeing now.

* As all this was happening, a great many of the rsa regulars (myself included) grew tired of the tedium and sought out other moderated or private online groups where the discussion would stay relatively civil and the topics were mostly ski-related. That's how I ended up on EpicSki.

* rsa has persevered and makes a valiant effort to provide value in spite of the constant static thrown in by you-know-who.

The unfortunate thing is that before the British Columbia invasion, rsa was a pretty fun place to be. Even TB was often funny, witty, and occasionally even-tempered. Once the hostilities started, however, things got out of hand almost instantly. It's a very interesting study in group dynamics. The fact that it's gone on for three or four years practically boggles the mind.

Anyway, I'll always be grateful for my involvement with rsa because I met some incredible ski partners through rsa. My early rsa years coincided with our move to Utah and through rsa I met several really great skiers who helped me learn a lot about backcountry skiing in Big and Little Cottonwood Canyons.

So, that's my version. Others might disagree, but on Epic no one will get away with calling me some of the names you'll see on rsa every day.

You hit the nail on the head. If you want to participate in rsa, just ignore the person you mentioned. Everyone else does except the few who delight in picking at scabs.

Bob
post #9 of 10
Isn't there still the moderated version that was put up a couple years back?

news:rec.skiing.alpine.moderated

TB and the other flamers apparently don't get posts approved. I haven't checked it in months and for all I know it isn't still there, but the signal-to-noise ratio was a lot better on rsam than on rsa.
post #10 of 10
Man that was a few years back now!

What Bob Peters said is pretty much as I remember it. I seem to remember your name from RSA days.

I was at Uni in NZ back then.
Made friends with a few ozzies that were on rsa.
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